GNU socialhttps://gs.jonkman.ca/api/statusnet/conversation/534664.atomConversation2024-03-29T03:52:56-04:00tag:gs.jonkman.ca,2021-01-31:noticeId=1058361:objectType=notebobjonkman repeated a notice by lnxw48a1RT @<a href="https://nu.federati.net/user/2" class="h-card u-url p-nickname mention" title="Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)]">lnxw48a1</a> @<a href="https://nu.federati.net/user/16" class="h-card u-url p-nickname mention" title="GeniusMusing">geniusmusing</a> Yeah. :-(<br /> <br /> I think the #<span class="tag"><a href="https://gs.jonkman.ca/tag/blockwars" rel="tag">blockwars</a></span> folks may have indirectly caused this. There are people who file complaints against client apps that don’t build in blocklists against specific servers whose moderation policies they dislike.<br /> <br /> I think that #<span class="tag"><a href="https://gs.jonkman.ca/tag/matrix" rel="tag">Matrix</a></span> / #<span class="tag"><a href="https://gs.jonkman.ca/tag/element" rel="tag">Element</a></span> competes with one or more Google-owned chat-type services. Since they gatekeep the overwhelming majority of Android users’ software installation, a good antitrust lawyer would be helpful. I’ll bet that faxing a bunch of documents to #<span class="tag"><a href="https://gs.jonkman.ca/tag/usdoj" rel="tag">USDOJ</a></span> and various states would suddenly cause Google to decide that Element doesn’t violate their policies anyway.<br /> <br /> (Someone said it was “Boomers at Google that don’t understand federation”, but first of all, I’m certain that most GOOG employees are far younger than you and I, and secondly, I’m sure someone at Google understands federation, though they obviously dislike not being in control. Google Talk was federated with #<span class="tag"><a href="https://gs.jonkman.ca/tag/xmpp" rel="tag">XMPP</a></span>, while Google Plus was basically #<span class="tag"><a href="https://gs.jonkman.ca/tag/diaspora" rel="tag">Diaspora</a></span> with federation stripped out.)http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/share2021-01-31T04:19:00+00:002021-01-31T04:19:00+00:00http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/personhttps://gs.jonkman.ca/user/2bobjonkmanComputer Consultant, Instructor, Project Manager, System Administrator… Volunteer at Radio Waterloo Co-founder of http://kwvoip.ca GnuPG Key fingerprint = 04F7 742B 8F54 C40A E115 26C2 B912 89B0 D2CC E5EA Political me is @BobJonkmanGreen https://gs.jonkman.ca/BobJonkmanGreenbobjonkmanBob JonkmanComputer Consultant, Instructor, Project Manager, System Administrator… Volunteer at Radio Waterloo Co-founder of http://kwvoip.ca GnuPG Key fingerprint = 04F7 742B 8F54 C40A E115 26C2 B912 89B0 D2CC E5EA Political me is @BobJonkmanGreen https://gs.jonkman.ca/BobJonkmanGreenElmira, Ontario, Canadahomepagehttp://bob.jonkman.ca/blogstruehttp://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/activitytag:nu.federati.net,2021-01-30:noticeId=3356363:objectType=comment@<a href="https://nu.federati.net/user/16" class="h-card u-url p-nickname mention" title="GeniusMusing">geniusmusing</a> Yeah. :-(<br /><br /> I think the #<span class="tag"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/blockwars" rel="tag">blockwars</a></span> folks may have indirectly caused this. There are people who file complaints against client apps that don’t build in blocklists against specific servers whose moderation policies they dislike.<br /><br /> I think that #<span class="tag"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/matrix" rel="tag">Matrix</a></span> / #<span class="tag"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/element" rel="tag">Element</a></span> competes with one or more Google-owned chat-type services. Since they gatekeep the overwhelming majority of Android users’ software installation, a good antitrust lawyer would be helpful. I’ll bet that faxing a bunch of documents to #<span class="tag"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/usdoj" rel="tag">USDOJ</a></span> and various states would suddenly cause Google to decide that Element doesn’t violate their policies anyway.<br /><br /> (Someone said it was “Boomers at Google that don’t understand federation”, but first of all, I’m certain that most GOOG employees are far younger than you and I, and secondly, I’m sure someone at Google understands federation, though they obviously dislike not being in control. Google Talk was federated with #<span class="tag"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/xmpp" rel="tag">XMPP</a></span>, while Google Plus was basically #<span class="tag"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/diaspora" rel="tag">Diaspora</a></span> with federation stripped out.)http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/post2021-01-30T21:34:32+00:002021-01-30T21:34:32+00:00http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/personhttps://nu.federati.net/user/2lnxw48a1Main account. A GNU+Linux bearing nomad migrating across a Windows-centric desert. I save the world from incompetent headquarters IT folks. I invite comment and discussion, but I dislike arguing .lnxw48a1LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}Main account. A GNU+Linux bearing nomad migrating across a Windows-centric desert. I save the world from incompetent headquarters IT folks. I invite comment and discussion, but I dislike arguing .{58024A03-1021-499E-B14D-DF4537889BF8}http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/commenttag:nu.federati.net,2021-01-30:noticeId=3356363:objectType=commentNew comment by lnxw48a1@<a href="https://nu.federati.net/user/16" class="h-card u-url p-nickname mention" title="GeniusMusing">geniusmusing</a> Yeah. :-(<br /><br /> I think the #<span class="tag"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/blockwars" rel="tag">blockwars</a></span> folks may have indirectly caused this. There are people who file complaints against client apps that don’t build in blocklists against specific servers whose moderation policies they dislike.<br /><br /> I think that #<span class="tag"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/matrix" rel="tag">Matrix</a></span> / #<span class="tag"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/element" rel="tag">Element</a></span> competes with one or more Google-owned chat-type services. Since they gatekeep the overwhelming majority of Android users’ software installation, a good antitrust lawyer would be helpful. I’ll bet that faxing a bunch of documents to #<span class="tag"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/usdoj" rel="tag">USDOJ</a></span> and various states would suddenly cause Google to decide that Element doesn’t violate their policies anyway.<br /><br /> (Someone said it was “Boomers at Google that don’t understand federation”, but first of all, I’m certain that most GOOG employees are far younger than you and I, and secondly, I’m sure someone at Google understands federation, though they obviously dislike not being in control. Google Talk was federated with #<span class="tag"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/xmpp" rel="tag">XMPP</a></span>, while Google Plus was basically #<span class="tag"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/diaspora" rel="tag">Diaspora</a></span> with federation stripped out.)1058314tag:nu.federati.net,2021-01-30:objectType=thread:nonce=8a5897d1e4649db8tag:nu.federati.net,2021-01-30:objectType=thread:nonce=8a5897d1e4649db8tag:nu.federati.net,2021-01-31:noticeId=3356403:objectType=notelnxw48a1 repeated a notice by clackeRT @<a href="https://libranet.de/profile/clacke" class="h-card u-url p-nickname mention" title="Claes Wallin 🇸🇪🇭🇰">clacke</a> @Nobody [LinuxWalt (@<a href="https://nu.federati.net/user/2" class="h-card u-url p-nickname mention" title="Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)]">lnxw48a1</a>)] Yes, it's an update to the same blog post.<br /><br /> The cause for dropping the app was abusive content on the matrix.org flagship server itself, and it had already been moderated out of existence before Google told Element about it.<br /><br /> The app was suspended for 27 hours for no good reason at all, for no conspiratorial reason at all, and channels have been established for preventing it from happening again.http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/share2021-01-31T02:50:07+00:002021-01-31T02:50:07+00:00http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/personhttps://nu.federati.net/user/2lnxw48a1Main account. A GNU+Linux bearing nomad migrating across a Windows-centric desert. I save the world from incompetent headquarters IT folks. I invite comment and discussion, but I dislike arguing .lnxw48a1LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}Main account. A GNU+Linux bearing nomad migrating across a Windows-centric desert. I save the world from incompetent headquarters IT folks. I invite comment and discussion, but I dislike arguing .{58024A03-1021-499E-B14D-DF4537889BF8}http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/activityhttps://libranet.de/objects/0b6b25a8-2160-1618-8df3-c8a786845642@<span class="vcard"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/lnxw48a1" class="url u-url mention" title="Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)]"><span class="fn nickname mention">Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)]</span></a></span> Yes, it's an update to the same blog post.<br /><br />The cause for dropping the app was abusive content on the matrix.org flagship server itself, and it had already been moderated out of existence before Google told Element about it.<br /><br />The app was suspended for 27 hours for no good reason at all, for no conspiratorial reason at all, and channels have been established for preventing it from happening again.http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/post2021-01-31T02:40:14+00:002021-01-31T02:40:14+00:00http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/personhttps://libranet.de/profile/clackeclacke<p>Flawesome. GNU/Linux is my daily driver OS since 1995. On Fedi since 2008. Working in Racket, Tcl, Python, whatever gets the page up. Solving yesterday's problems tomorrow. A dad. Freddie Mercury is my spiritual advisor.</p><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/1/pronoun.is/he" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">web.archive.org/web/1/pronoun.…</a></p><p>Every post of mine is an open invitation to advice or information or critique or disagreement unless I say otherwise. Fire away. If I don't a … clackeclacke: inhibited exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛<p>Flawesome. GNU/Linux is my daily driver OS since 1995. On Fedi since 2008. Working in Racket, Tcl, Python, whatever gets the page up. Solving yesterday's problems tomorrow. A dad. Freddie Mercury is my spiritual advisor.</p><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/1/pronoun.is/he" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">web.archive.org/web/1/pronoun.…</a></p><p>Every post of mine is an open invitation to advice or information or critique or disagreement unless I say otherwise. Fire away. If I don't a … http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/notehttps://libranet.de/objects/0b6b25a8-2160-1618-8df3-c8a786845642New note by clacke@<span class="vcard"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/lnxw48a1" class="url u-url mention" title="Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)]"><span class="fn nickname mention">Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)]</span></a></span> Yes, it's an update to the same blog post.<br /><br />The cause for dropping the app was abusive content on the matrix.org flagship server itself, and it had already been moderated out of existence before Google told Element about it.<br /><br />The app was suspended for 27 hours for no good reason at all, for no conspiratorial reason at all, and channels have been established for preventing it from happening again.1058353tag:nu.federati.net,2021-01-30:objectType=thread:nonce=8a5897d1e4649db8tag:nu.federati.net,2021-01-30:objectType=thread:nonce=8a5897d1e4649db8http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/notehttps://libranet.de/objects/0b6b25a8-2160-1618-8df3-c8a786845642New note by clacke@<span class="vcard"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/lnxw48a1" class="url u-url mention" title="Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)]"><span class="fn nickname mention">Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)]</span></a></span> Yes, it's an update to the same blog post.<br /><br />The cause for dropping the app was abusive content on the matrix.org flagship server itself, and it had already been moderated out of existence before Google told Element about it.<br /><br />The app was suspended for 27 hours for no good reason at all, for no conspiratorial reason at all, and channels have been established for preventing it from happening again.1058353http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/post2021-01-31T02:40:14+00:002021-01-31T02:40:14+00:00http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/personhttps://libranet.de/profile/clackeclacke<p>Flawesome. GNU/Linux is my daily driver OS since 1995. On Fedi since 2008. Working in Racket, Tcl, Python, whatever gets the page up. Solving yesterday's problems tomorrow. A dad. Freddie Mercury is my spiritual advisor.</p><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/1/pronoun.is/he" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">web.archive.org/web/1/pronoun.…</a></p><p>Every post of mine is an open invitation to advice or information or critique or disagreement unless I say otherwise. Fire away. If I don't a … clackeclacke: inhibited exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛<p>Flawesome. GNU/Linux is my daily driver OS since 1995. On Fedi since 2008. Working in Racket, Tcl, Python, whatever gets the page up. Solving yesterday's problems tomorrow. A dad. Freddie Mercury is my spiritual advisor.</p><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/1/pronoun.is/he" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">web.archive.org/web/1/pronoun.…</a></p><p>Every post of mine is an open invitation to advice or information or critique or disagreement unless I say otherwise. Fire away. If I don't a … tag:nu.federati.net,2021-01-30:objectType=thread:nonce=8a5897d1e4649db8http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/notetag:nu.federati.net,2021-01-31:noticeId=3356398:objectType=noteNew note by lnxw48a1According to @<a href="https://libranet.de/profile/clacke" class="h-card u-url p-nickname mention">clacke</a>, #<span class="tag"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/element" rel="tag">Element</a></span> is back. <a href="https://libranet.de/display/0b6b25a8-1160-1615-cac7-aa0667972778" title="https://libranet.de/display/0b6b25a8-1160-1615-cac7-aa0667972778" rel="nofollow noreferrer" class="attachment">https://libranet.de/display/0b6b25a8-1160-1615-cac7-aa0667972778</a> <a href="https://element.io/blog/element-on-google-play-store/" title="https://element.io/blog/element-on-google-play-store/" rel="nofollow noreferrer" class="attachment thumbnail">https://element.io/blog/element-on-google-play-store/</a>1058348http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/post2021-01-31T02:31:26+00:002021-01-31T02:31:26+00:00http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/personhttps://nu.federati.net/user/2lnxw48a1Main account. A GNU+Linux bearing nomad migrating across a Windows-centric desert. I save the world from incompetent headquarters IT folks. I invite comment and discussion, but I dislike arguing .lnxw48a1LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}Main account. A GNU+Linux bearing nomad migrating across a Windows-centric desert. I save the world from incompetent headquarters IT folks. I invite comment and discussion, but I dislike arguing .{58024A03-1021-499E-B14D-DF4537889BF8}tag:nu.federati.net,2021-01-30:objectType=thread:nonce=8a5897d1e4649db8http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/commenttag:nu.federati.net,2021-01-30:noticeId=3356363:objectType=commentNew comment by lnxw48a1@<a href="https://nu.federati.net/user/16" class="h-card u-url p-nickname mention" title="GeniusMusing">geniusmusing</a> Yeah. :-(<br /><br /> I think the #<span class="tag"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/blockwars" rel="tag">blockwars</a></span> folks may have indirectly caused this. There are people who file complaints against client apps that don’t build in blocklists against specific servers whose moderation policies they dislike.<br /><br /> I think that #<span class="tag"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/matrix" rel="tag">Matrix</a></span> / #<span class="tag"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/element" rel="tag">Element</a></span> competes with one or more Google-owned chat-type services. Since they gatekeep the overwhelming majority of Android users’ software installation, a good antitrust lawyer would be helpful. I’ll bet that faxing a bunch of documents to #<span class="tag"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/usdoj" rel="tag">USDOJ</a></span> and various states would suddenly cause Google to decide that Element doesn’t violate their policies anyway.<br /><br /> (Someone said it was “Boomers at Google that don’t understand federation”, but first of all, I’m certain that most GOOG employees are far younger than you and I, and secondly, I’m sure someone at Google understands federation, though they obviously dislike not being in control. Google Talk was federated with #<span class="tag"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/xmpp" rel="tag">XMPP</a></span>, while Google Plus was basically #<span class="tag"><a href="https://nu.federati.net/tag/diaspora" rel="tag">Diaspora</a></span> with federation stripped out.)1058314http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/post2021-01-30T21:34:32+00:002021-01-30T21:34:32+00:00http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/personhttps://nu.federati.net/user/2lnxw48a1Main account. A GNU+Linux bearing nomad migrating across a Windows-centric desert. I save the world from incompetent headquarters IT folks. I invite comment and discussion, but I dislike arguing .lnxw48a1LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}Main account. A GNU+Linux bearing nomad migrating across a Windows-centric desert. I save the world from incompetent headquarters IT folks. I invite comment and discussion, but I dislike arguing .{58024A03-1021-499E-B14D-DF4537889BF8}tag:nu.federati.net,2021-01-30:objectType=thread:nonce=8a5897d1e4649db8http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/notetag:nu.federati.net,2021-01-30:noticeId=3356361:objectType=noteNew note by geniusmusingElement suspended on Google Play Store<br /><a href="https://element.io/blog/element-on-google-play-store/" title="https://element.io/blog/element-on-google-play-store/" rel="nofollow noreferrer" class="attachment">https://element.io/blog/element-on-google-play-store/</a><br /><br /> >Hi all,<br /> ><br /> >At 2021-01-29 at 21:35 UTC Google suspended Element from the Play Store without warning or notification. We submitted an appeal asking for clarification at 23:18, and at 05:31 received a generic update from the Google Play Policy team citing that the app has been removed due to content which contravenes their terms of use, and asking us to “make the necessary changes to [our] app” and “upload a new app using a new package name and a new app name”.<br /> ><br /> >As of 11:44 UTC we’ve submitted a detailed appeal to reiterate that Element is a generic chat app for connecting to the global Matrix communication network, just as Chrome is a generic web browser for connecting to the Web - and just as Google does not control the content on the Web, Element does not control the content on Matrix.<br /> ><br /> >We have also explained that the Matrix servers that we do run as Element (including the default Matrix.org homeserver, which we run on behalf of The Matrix.org Foundation) have strict Terms of Use which we actively enforce. We abhor abuse, and Element is not an app that caters to abusive content.<br /><br /> snip<br /><br /> >We’re currently waiting for an update to Google and will keep this blog post updated as the situation develops. We look forward to resolving the problem and getting the app back in the store shortly.<br /> ><br /> >-- The Element Team<br /> ><br /> >Update: reminder that in the interim you can download a (slightly outdated) version of Element Android from F-Droid at <a href="https://f-droid.org/en/packages/im.vector.app/" title="https://f-droid.org/en/packages/im.vector.app/" rel="nofollow noreferrer" class="attachment">https://f-droid.org/en/packages/im.vector.app</a>. We're also looking into running our own F-Droid repository going forwards so the most recent build is always available there.1058311http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/post2021-01-30T20:53:43+00:002021-01-30T20:53:43+00:00http://activitystrea.ms/schema/1.0/personhttps://nu.federati.net/user/16geniusmusingAKA Wile E. Coyote, Inventor, Maker, Programmer, Writer and Super Genius.geniusmusingGeniusMusingAKA Wile E. Coyote, Inventor, Maker, Programmer, Writer and Super Genius.Pacific Northwesttag:nu.federati.net,2021-01-30:objectType=thread:nonce=8a5897d1e4649db8