Updates tagged with ostatus on Jonkman Microblog!
lnxw48a1: https://www.theverge.com/23990974/social-media-2023-fediverse-mastodon-threads-activitypub [www theverge com] The Verge article extolling the #Fediverse. I personally think the writer has the wrong point. #Facebook isn't good. Its attraction is "everybody I know is on Facebook" and not any of its half-baked features. Therefore, multiprotocol / multi-network federated social is important to dethroning #corpocentric #socnets like XTwitter ( #x.com / #twitter ) and Meta's Facebook & #Instagram. We need bridges to connect #Nostr, the #OStatus and #ActivityPub fediverses, #Diaspora, #Farcaster, #Bluesky's #ATProto, etc. Or we need instances that speak all of the above protocols / languages. I feel this writer's exuberence will turn out to be fantasy, mostly because of misunderstanding what keeps people in the walled gardens and what it will take to free them.
lnxw48a1's status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:09:16 EST
https://www.theverge.com/23990974/social-media-2023-fediverse-mastodon-threads-activitypub [www theverge com] The Verge article extolling the #Fediverse. I personally think the writer has the wrong point. #Facebook isn't good. Its attraction is "everybody I know is on Facebook" and not any of its half-baked features. Therefore, multiprotocol / multi-network federated social is important to dethroning #corpocentric #socnets like XTwitter ( #x.com / #twitter ) and Meta's Facebook & #Instagram. We need bridges to connect #Nostr, the #OStatus and #ActivityPub fediverses, #Diaspora, #Farcaster, #Bluesky's #ATProto, etc. Or we need instances that speak all of the above protocols / languages. I feel this writer's exuberence will turn out to be fantasy, mostly because of misunderstanding what keeps people in the walled gardens and what it will take to free them.
2023 in social media: the case for the fediverse
lnxw48a1: @fu From #GNU_social, I only see a few of your posts in the thread. As you may know, #Diaspora's protocol is different from #OStatus, so the D* posts do not cross over. But there's more going on. Years ago, when I hosted a #Friendica instance, posts from ~F to OStatus appeared natively. Now they don't. For example, almost never will a mention or reply from ~F to GS appear in the recipient's replies stream. This doesn't only happen on GS, though. On Pleroma instances, ~F posts (at least from #libranet.de) appear with delays of 2-12 hours or more, sometimes out of context, usually out of order. They also sometimes change the scope when they reply to a scope limited post. I have a ~Friendica account on libranet.de, but I barely ever use it because _everything_ seems to be broken and it frustrates me every time I try to use it. I should probably close it and check to see whether the issues are local to libranet.de or something common to all Friendica instances.
lnxw48a1's status on Tuesday, 08-Aug-2023 02:42:55 EDT
@fu From #GNU_social, I only see a few of your posts in the thread. As you may know, #Diaspora's protocol is different from #OStatus, so the D* posts do not cross over. But there's more going on. Years ago, when I hosted a #Friendica instance, posts from ~F to OStatus appeared natively. Now they don't. For example, almost never will a mention or reply from ~F to GS appear in the recipient's replies stream. This doesn't only happen on GS, though. On Pleroma instances, ~F posts (at least from #libranet.de) appear with delays of 2-12 hours or more, sometimes out of context, usually out of order. They also sometimes change the scope when they reply to a scope limited post. I have a ~Friendica account on libranet.de, but I barely ever use it because _everything_ seems to be broken and it frustrates me every time I try to use it. I should probably close it and check to see whether the issues are local to libranet.de or something common to all Friendica instances.
lnxw48a1: The Iris #Nostr client on #Android now has a "block and mute" function, so I've started using that against the #spambots. Nostr has some great ideas that are way beyond what either #OStatus or #ActivityPub branches of the #Fediverse are doing, but the spam and the fact that there's a really big #Bitcoin "Maxi" faction there are chasing regular people away.
lnxw48a1's status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 13:47:16 EDT
The Iris #Nostr client on #Android now has a "block and mute" function, so I've started using that against the #spambots. Nostr has some great ideas that are way beyond what either #OStatus or #ActivityPub branches of the #Fediverse are doing, but the spam and the fact that there's a really big #Bitcoin "Maxi" faction there are chasing regular people away.
lnxw48a1: Actually, I think the two #bots were around for part of #GNUsocial after the #bifurcation split the network into #OStatus (mostly GS) and #Pump.io
lnxw48a1's status on Saturday, 08-Jul-2023 04:22:56 EDT
Actually, I think the two #bots were around for part of #GNUsocial after the #bifurcation split the network into #OStatus (mostly GS) and #Pump.io
bobjonkman: I seem to recall there's a standard API that should be common to all the #StatusNet derivitave servers. I'm pretty sure that in its infancy Mastodon conformed to that API. But Mastodon's API expanded beyond that, and I suspect some of the common API was removed, probably around the time #OStatus was dropped from Mastodon too. But that's sheer speculation on my part. Time to upgrade my server, so I can upgrade PHP, so I can upgrade this GNUsocial instance...
bobjonkman's status on Saturday, 14-Jan-2023 16:08:16 EST
I seem to recall there's a standard API that should be common to all the #StatusNet derivitave servers. I'm pretty sure that in its infancy Mastodon conformed to that API. But Mastodon's API expanded beyond that, and I suspect some of the common API was removed, probably around the time #OStatus was dropped from Mastodon too. But that's sheer speculation on my part. Time to upgrade my server, so I can upgrade PHP, so I can upgrade this GNUsocial instance...
lnxw48a1: https://500ish.com/mastodon-brought-a-protocol-to-a-product-fight-ba9fda767c6a #Medium link; don't be surprised if it does weird things before showing you the article. "Mastodon brought a protocol to a product fight" > Yes, yes, the network is under immense strain as people flee the Elon strain infecting Twitter. But come on, there are folks who really believe this is going to replace, or even stand alongside Twitter, as a massively scaled social network? I call bullshit. While it’s impressive that millions of users have apparently given Mastodon a try, the product is far too slapdash and clunky to keep folks engaged. A lump of coal. No, it isn't meant to be a #Twitter replacement. Keep your Twitter account until you no longer want it--or the company closes and the site shuts down--you can use Mastodon alongside Twitter. And the #Fediverse networks are much more than just #Mastodon. Don't think you have experienced the network and all it has to offer if all you've done is briefly tried to use Mastodon, because you haven't experienced it. > I’ve somehow avoided signing up for the service up until now. Largely because signing up was and is so comically obtuse — pick your server everyone, hope you choose wisely! Have you not used e-mail? It works the same way. You pick a server, such as Gmail or Outlook dot com, and sign up. Please tell me you realize that the people you communicate with are not all on the same e-mail service that you use. > But, but, it’s not a product, it’s a protocol. Yeah, that’s a nice thing to say. And to believe in. But I truly believe the ship has sadly sailed for such idealism in this space. Jack Dorsey can talk about how this should have been what Twitter was from the get go until he’s bluesky in the face. It’s just not going to happen. And he’s more to blame for that than most everyone else. As is he for the Elon element of this current equation. But that’s a different story. Okay, so how about this story: Twitter has only been profitable two or three years of its entire history. Since it started, it has existed by burning through investors' funds. Eventually, with or without Elon Musk's ownership, that runs out. Without such funding, their corporate-centralized ( #corpocentric ) model cannot exist very long. And same for their centralized competitors, such as Post.news, Gab, Parler, and so on. What is left is either #federated or #peer-to-peer approaches, where no single entity is responsible for funding and managing the entire network. So whether it is the #Fediverse ( with #ActivityPub and #OStatus and their successors ) & the Federation ( with #Diaspora ) or #Bluesky, or #Twister, or #NOSTR, the eventual future of #socnets is #decentralized, if not entirely peer-to-peer unless a national government takes over Facebook and Twitter in order to provide effectively unlimited resources. It is the protocol that makes it possible for thousands or millions of instances to displace and replace one big centralized instance. 1/2
lnxw48a1's status on Wednesday, 28-Dec-2022 21:20:57 EST
https://500ish.com/mastodon-brought-a-protocol-to-a-product-fight-ba9fda767c6a #Medium link; don't be surprised if it does weird things before showing you the article. "Mastodon brought a protocol to a product fight" > Yes, yes, the network is under immense strain as people flee the Elon strain infecting Twitter. But come on, there are folks who really believe this is going to replace, or even stand alongside Twitter, as a massively scaled social network? I call bullshit. While it’s impressive that millions of users have apparently given Mastodon a try, the product is far too slapdash and clunky to keep folks engaged. A lump of coal. No, it isn't meant to be a #Twitter replacement. Keep your Twitter account until you no longer want it--or the company closes and the site shuts down--you can use Mastodon alongside Twitter. And the #Fediverse networks are much more than just #Mastodon. Don't think you have experienced the network and all it has to offer if all you've done is briefly tried to use Mastodon, because you haven't experienced it. > I’ve somehow avoided signing up for the service up until now. Largely because signing up was and is so comically obtuse — pick your server everyone, hope you choose wisely! Have you not used e-mail? It works the same way. You pick a server, such as Gmail or Outlook dot com, and sign up. Please tell me you realize that the people you communicate with are not all on the same e-mail service that you use. > But, but, it’s not a product, it’s a protocol. Yeah, that’s a nice thing to say. And to believe in. But I truly believe the ship has sadly sailed for such idealism in this space. Jack Dorsey can talk about how this should have been what Twitter was from the get go until he’s bluesky in the face. It’s just not going to happen. And he’s more to blame for that than most everyone else. As is he for the Elon element of this current equation. But that’s a different story. Okay, so how about this story: Twitter has only been profitable two or three years of its entire history. Since it started, it has existed by burning through investors' funds. Eventually, with or without Elon Musk's ownership, that runs out. Without such funding, their corporate-centralized ( #corpocentric ) model cannot exist very long. And same for their centralized competitors, such as Post.news, Gab, Parler, and so on. What is left is either #federated or #peer-to-peer approaches, where no single entity is responsible for funding and managing the entire network. So whether it is the #Fediverse ( with #ActivityPub and #OStatus and their successors ) & the Federation ( with #Diaspora ) or #Bluesky, or #Twister, or #NOSTR, the eventual future of #socnets is #decentralized, if not entirely peer-to-peer unless a national government takes over Facebook and Twitter in order to provide effectively unlimited resources. It is the protocol that makes it possible for thousands or millions of instances to displace and replace one big centralized instance. 1/2
Mastodon Brought a Protocol to a Product Fight
lnxw48a1: @fu All !fnetworks instances are currently #OStatus only. I plan to upgrade them soon.
lnxw48a1's status on Thursday, 17-Nov-2022 19:29:50 EST
@fu All !fnetworks instances are currently #OStatus only. I plan to upgrade them soon.
lnxw48a1: I actually think that the overwhelming majority of blocking should be done by individuals curating their own timelines. I am sensitive to the effect on the Fediverse as a whole, especially as we've already been through this. Even the original #bifurcation (when the largest instance at the time, Identica, severed communication with #StatusNet / #GNUsocial & #OStatus and switched to the #Pump.io protocol and software) and the subsequent #ActivityPub - #OStatus split have caused untold breakage. I've seen AP-side devs, admins, users patting themselves on the back while commiserating about brokenness that is built into the protocol itself or at least its common implementations. I have also seen people telling other people to create "alts" on various instances, so that their posts can reach all of their intended contacts. Not for resilience against instance shutdowns or separating by posts and recipients by topics and interests (which is what groups and Diaspora style Aspects / GPlus style Circles are for), but because #blockwars prevents posts and members from one instance to be seen on certain others. For the record, I think that instance governance is something that Mastodon should include in its instances.social instance-picker, along with instances' topical foci. People should have a way to see what they're agreeing to (and what the alternatives are) before the sign up. In other words, it isn't my way or the highway so much as it is making it possible to know what one is getting into. I am certain that there are (or were) instances with democratically chosen rules. I also believe that we're not doing the people who use an instance any favor by not making it possible for them to contribute to the financing and administration of the instance. If you're paying all the costs and doing all the work to maintain and moderate the instance, it is difficult to let an election institute a policy that you disagree with. (I've started to really disagree with the idea of individuals hosting public instances wholly out of their own financial and time resources. Besides the "truck factor", it is much easier to keep an instance going if everything was already handled by a team and at least partly member supported.) On the other hand, if the instance encourages those in its membership who can do so to participate in keeping it going, then it is perfectly reasonable to expect the admin team to carry out the decisions voted by the membership. I do realize that not everyone can contribute funds, nor can everyone do the technical labor ... but as @simsa04 will remember, things like writing documentation, contributing in discussions about improving the software, designing and implementing themes, and even marketing-type tasks such as creating a logo and a favicon or promoting the instance to people outside the #Fediverse are beneficial.
lnxw48a1's status on Sunday, 30-Oct-2022 00:26:23 EDT
I actually think that the overwhelming majority of blocking should be done by individuals curating their own timelines. I am sensitive to the effect on the Fediverse as a whole, especially as we've already been through this. Even the original #bifurcation (when the largest instance at the time, Identica, severed communication with #StatusNet / #GNUsocial & #OStatus and switched to the #Pump.io protocol and software) and the subsequent #ActivityPub - #OStatus split have caused untold breakage. I've seen AP-side devs, admins, users patting themselves on the back while commiserating about brokenness that is built into the protocol itself or at least its common implementations. I have also seen people telling other people to create "alts" on various instances, so that their posts can reach all of their intended contacts. Not for resilience against instance shutdowns or separating by posts and recipients by topics and interests (which is what groups and Diaspora style Aspects / GPlus style Circles are for), but because #blockwars prevents posts and members from one instance to be seen on certain others. For the record, I think that instance governance is something that Mastodon should include in its instances.social instance-picker, along with instances' topical foci. People should have a way to see what they're agreeing to (and what the alternatives are) before the sign up. In other words, it isn't my way or the highway so much as it is making it possible to know what one is getting into. I am certain that there are (or were) instances with democratically chosen rules. I also believe that we're not doing the people who use an instance any favor by not making it possible for them to contribute to the financing and administration of the instance. If you're paying all the costs and doing all the work to maintain and moderate the instance, it is difficult to let an election institute a policy that you disagree with. (I've started to really disagree with the idea of individuals hosting public instances wholly out of their own financial and time resources. Besides the "truck factor", it is much easier to keep an instance going if everything was already handled by a team and at least partly member supported.) On the other hand, if the instance encourages those in its membership who can do so to participate in keeping it going, then it is perfectly reasonable to expect the admin team to carry out the decisions voted by the membership. I do realize that not everyone can contribute funds, nor can everyone do the technical labor ... but as @simsa04 will remember, things like writing documentation, contributing in discussions about improving the software, designing and implementing themes, and even marketing-type tasks such as creating a logo and a favicon or promoting the instance to people outside the #Fediverse are beneficial.
lnxw48a1: It would be nice to have a big chunk of the people who are using #corpocentric #socnets like #Twitter and #Facebook and #Instagram move some or all of their presence over to the #OStatus and #ActivityPub branches of the #Fediverse, but I'd much rather they come because they want to try something different instead of coming because they are fleeing some change or impending change over there. Why? Because these networks will never give them everything that those did. I personally believe that these networks can give some benefits that those cannot, but thus far, we've mostly tried to replicate their functionality ... without the benefit of nearly unlimited VC cash and a centralized model which puts $CentralizedNetwork at the center of its users' communications, where benefits built upon centralized knowledge of users' actions / choices / contacts. Therefore, in 2-3 weeks, I expect 9 out of 10 new users to have have returned to Twitter ... or to some centralized network that springs up to duplicate Twitter without the Musk factor. This has happened before. Maybe not on this scale, but it has happened. Multiple times. And always, most of them leave.
lnxw48a1's status on Wednesday, 27-Apr-2022 19:11:54 EDT
It would be nice to have a big chunk of the people who are using #corpocentric #socnets like #Twitter and #Facebook and #Instagram move some or all of their presence over to the #OStatus and #ActivityPub branches of the #Fediverse, but I'd much rather they come because they want to try something different instead of coming because they are fleeing some change or impending change over there. Why? Because these networks will never give them everything that those did. I personally believe that these networks can give some benefits that those cannot, but thus far, we've mostly tried to replicate their functionality ... without the benefit of nearly unlimited VC cash and a centralized model which puts $CentralizedNetwork at the center of its users' communications, where benefits built upon centralized knowledge of users' actions / choices / contacts. Therefore, in 2-3 weeks, I expect 9 out of 10 new users to have have returned to Twitter ... or to some centralized network that springs up to duplicate Twitter without the Musk factor. This has happened before. Maybe not on this scale, but it has happened. Multiple times. And always, most of them leave.
hypolite: Because I could I keep thinking about a couple #Twitter threads criticizing #Mastodon (the #Fediverse, really) for being inherently different than closed commercial platforms using far-fetched hypotheticals and extraordinary occurrences; while I do not want to make a useless point-by-point response, instead I'll tell you what I like about federated social media and #Friendica in particular. After #Facebook froze my account for using a pseudonym (a spottily enforced rule), I started hosting my own #Diaspora pod because I could. I didn't know anyone so I initially made contacts with other podmins and progressively extended my circle through shared posts. This is how I learned about #Friendica, a platform that was compatible with both #Diaspora and #OStatus (#GNUSocial, #StatusNet ) because it could. Written in #PHP, liked both the multi-protocol approach and that I could contribute code to it. So I started hosting my #Friendica node and I kept following the same Diaspora accounts, because I could. When #Mastodon was first released based on OStatus, I started following several accounts on there because I could. When #ActivityPub was released and supported by Mastodon, we followed suite a few months later, because we could. With popularity came the right-wing trolls and free speech extremists who organized their own federated instances, but they never bothered me much as I blocked their entire instance domains because I could. None of these are currently possible with commercial platforms. Not all people will end up hosting their own node and it's fine, but the breadth of possibility is what makes federated social network attractive.
hypolite's status on Wednesday, 27-Apr-2022 18:01:20 EDT
Because I could I keep thinking about a couple #Twitter threads criticizing #Mastodon (the #Fediverse, really) for being inherently different than closed commercial platforms using far-fetched hypotheticals and extraordinary occurrences; while I do not want to make a useless point-by-point response, instead I'll tell you what I like about federated social media and #Friendica in particular. After #Facebook froze my account for using a pseudonym (a spottily enforced rule), I started hosting my own #Diaspora pod because I could. I didn't know anyone so I initially made contacts with other podmins and progressively extended my circle through shared posts. This is how I learned about #Friendica, a platform that was compatible with both #Diaspora and #OStatus (#GNUSocial, #StatusNet ) because it could. Written in #PHP, liked both the multi-protocol approach and that I could contribute code to it. So I started hosting my #Friendica node and I kept following the same Diaspora accounts, because I could. When #Mastodon was first released based on OStatus, I started following several accounts on there because I could. When #ActivityPub was released and supported by Mastodon, we followed suite a few months later, because we could. With popularity came the right-wing trolls and free speech extremists who organized their own federated instances, but they never bothered me much as I blocked their entire instance domains because I could. None of these are currently possible with commercial platforms. Not all people will end up hosting their own node and it's fine, but the breadth of possibility is what makes federated social network attractive.
lnxw48a1: This instance is not yet #ActivityPub compatible, but I'm announcing in advance that we will begin blocking any instance which hosts potentially illegal material in line with https://blog.freespeechextremist.com/blog/the-loli-question.html As far as I know, we do not have any remaining #OStatus compatible instances which allow such things, but if one shows up it will be blocked. !fnetworks
lnxw48a1's status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 18:53:47 EDT
This instance is not yet #ActivityPub compatible, but I'm announcing in advance that we will begin blocking any instance which hosts potentially illegal material in line with https://blog.freespeechextremist.com/blog/the-loli-question.html As far as I know, we do not have any remaining #OStatus compatible instances which allow such things, but if one shows up it will be blocked. !fnetworks
lnxw48a1: So #LoadAverage is back, but it doesn't seem to be federating, at least not via #OStatus.
lnxw48a1's status on Wednesday, 31-Mar-2021 12:48:52 EDT
So #LoadAverage is back, but it doesn't seem to be federating, at least not via #OStatus.
lnxw48a1: "The post"{https://mst3k.interlinked.me/@Elizafox/105562613778968936} seemed to be a lot of fear-mongering, even more than the article itself. (1) #Twitter has millions of users. There is no #ActivityPub nor #OStatus implementation in which an instance hosted on a $5/mo #DigitalOcean / #Linode / #Vultr #VPS could handle the volume of a seamless connection with #Twitter. If they adopted AP OStatus, #Diaspora, or any other current open federation protocol, instances that didn't use firewall blocking would topple once the two userbases had sufficient interconnections (within a few hours or a few days after they started federating). (2) Twitter's business model is to push ads disguised as tweets. If their users could escape those and still interact with all the same contacts, they would. I'm certain that Twitter's management know this. They also turn all links into tracking links, and sell access to media (images, video, audio) uploads of important news events to news organizations. (3) Most Fediverse instances are financed out of the admin's pocket. Some have financial contributors, but nothing like Twitter's revenue. As the largest and best-financed instance, they would immediately have to start implementing modifications to make AP or other existing federation protocols useful to them, and those modifications would (as Mastodon's currently do) become unofficially mandatory in order to be compatible. (4) This isn't the first time that Twitter has considered federation, though this may be the first time they openly discussed it. Back when Identica was still a happening place (during Twitter's fail-whale days), Twitter considered federating. They didn't do it then, and I honestly do not believe they will do it now. (5) I'd say that Twitter's #BlueSky initiative is more meant to try to get bidirectional connections across #Facebook's moat and wall than it is to surround Twitter with a cloud of #Fediverse instances.
lnxw48a1's status on Saturday, 16-Jan-2021 13:28:49 EST
"The post"{https://mst3k.interlinked.me/@Elizafox/105562613778968936} seemed to be a lot of fear-mongering, even more than the article itself. (1) #Twitter has millions of users. There is no #ActivityPub nor #OStatus implementation in which an instance hosted on a $5/mo #DigitalOcean / #Linode / #Vultr #VPS could handle the volume of a seamless connection with #Twitter. If they adopted AP OStatus, #Diaspora, or any other current open federation protocol, instances that didn't use firewall blocking would topple once the two userbases had sufficient interconnections (within a few hours or a few days after they started federating). (2) Twitter's business model is to push ads disguised as tweets. If their users could escape those and still interact with all the same contacts, they would. I'm certain that Twitter's management know this. They also turn all links into tracking links, and sell access to media (images, video, audio) uploads of important news events to news organizations. (3) Most Fediverse instances are financed out of the admin's pocket. Some have financial contributors, but nothing like Twitter's revenue. As the largest and best-financed instance, they would immediately have to start implementing modifications to make AP or other existing federation protocols useful to them, and those modifications would (as Mastodon's currently do) become unofficially mandatory in order to be compatible. (4) This isn't the first time that Twitter has considered federation, though this may be the first time they openly discussed it. Back when Identica was still a happening place (during Twitter's fail-whale days), Twitter considered federating. They didn't do it then, and I honestly do not believe they will do it now. (5) I'd say that Twitter's #BlueSky initiative is more meant to try to get bidirectional connections across #Facebook's moat and wall than it is to surround Twitter with a cloud of #Fediverse instances.
tobias: ♲ @AlexVoss@fosstodon.org: Student of mine is conducting a survey on the barriers to uptake of alternative social media platforms. Your input would be much appreciated. Please boost. standrews.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe… #fediverse #pleroma #gnusocial #diaspora #mastodon #activitypub #ostatus #pubsub #xmpp #mstdn #indieweb #friendica #peertube #hubzilla #socialhome #pixelfed #fedilab #nextcloud
tobias's status on Tuesday, 15-Sep-2020 09:31:03 EDT
♲ @AlexVoss@fosstodon.org: Student of mine is conducting a survey on the barriers to uptake of alternative social media platforms. Your input would be much appreciated. Please boost. standrews.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe… #fediverse #pleroma #gnusocial #diaspora #mastodon #activitypub #ostatus #pubsub #xmpp #mstdn #indieweb #friendica #peertube #hubzilla #socialhome #pixelfed #fedilab #nextcloud
strypey: Just tried out the AndStatus app on Android. I successfully added accounts for pump.io and Titter, but adding this Mastodon account failed. I tried adding a Friendica account as a GNU social account, since it supports OStatus and I can't see any other way to do it, but that failed. I don't think I have a GNU social account since the Quitter. sites went down, but I'll have to check and maybe set up a new one for testing purposes. #AndStatus #Android #pumpIO #GNUsocial #Friendica #OStatus
strypey's status on Wednesday, 22-Apr-2020 05:27:56 EDT
Just tried out the AndStatus app on Android. I successfully added accounts for pump.io and Titter, but adding this Mastodon account failed. I tried adding a Friendica account as a GNU social account, since it supports OStatus and I can't see any other way to do it, but that failed. I don't think I have a GNU social account since the Quitter. sites went down, but I'll have to check and maybe set up a new one for testing purposes. #AndStatus #Android #pumpIO #GNUsocial #Friendica #OStatus
licho: Wondering how far #ostatus extends after some places dropped support for it. !gnusocial
licho's status on Monday, 20-Apr-2020 22:32:12 EDT
Wondering how far #ostatus extends after some places dropped support for it. !gnusocial
licho (@ me only --- "ghost" replies issue)
lnxw37a1: @sl #Mastodon version 3.x and later (and #Pleroma version 2.x and later) does not use #OStatus as a federation protocol, so they broke federation with #GNUSocial. There's a little more work to do before the release of GS v.2.0, which adds #ActivityPub support.
lnxw37a1's status on Monday, 13-Apr-2020 13:49:33 EDT
@sl #Mastodon version 3.x and later (and #Pleroma version 2.x and later) does not use #OStatus as a federation protocol, so they broke federation with #GNUSocial. There's a little more work to do before the release of GS v.2.0, which adds #ActivityPub support.
lnxw48a1: @licho #Mastodon 3.x and #Pleroma 2x no longer speak the #OStatus federation protocol. !GNUsocial 2.0 will add the #ActivityPub federation protocol, so ask your admin to be ready to upgrade soon.
lnxw48a1's status on Friday, 10-Apr-2020 12:17:51 EDT
@licho #Mastodon 3.x and #Pleroma 2x no longer speak the #OStatus federation protocol. !GNUsocial 2.0 will add the #ActivityPub federation protocol, so ask your admin to be ready to upgrade soon.
lnxw48a1: @strypey We're using #OStatus right now.
lnxw48a1's status on Friday, 14-Feb-2020 23:44:08 EST
@strypey We're using #OStatus right now.
lnxw48a1: @theru AFAIK the main branch of #Pleroma will support #OStatus for about a year.
lnxw48a1's status on Sunday, 20-Oct-2019 02:41:14 EDT
@theru AFAIK the main branch of #Pleroma will support #OStatus for about a year.
colegota: @icaria36 ¿pero dónde te has metido tú en las últimas semanas? ;) https://gnusocial.villanos.net/notice/585489 Pon ostatus o #ostatus en el buscador. @victorhck @izaro @agosto182
colegota's status on Friday, 23-Aug-2019 05:15:09 EDT
@icaria36 ¿pero dónde te has metido tú en las últimas semanas? ;) https://gnusocial.villanos.net/notice/585489 Pon ostatus o #ostatus en el buscador. @victorhck @izaro @agosto182
colegota: @izaro @victorhck @icaria36 @agosto182 así es. Puede que @aab que está con la versión de pruebas sí que le vea, pero justo ahora el que no le veo soy yo a él. Creo que en las últimas pruebas de la federación por #activitypub hemos perdido la federación por #ostatus :D
colegota's status on Friday, 23-Aug-2019 03:31:52 EDT
@izaro @victorhck @icaria36 @agosto182 así es. Puede que @aab que está con la versión de pruebas sí que le vea, pero justo ahora el que no le veo soy yo a él. Creo que en las últimas pruebas de la federación por #activitypub hemos perdido la federación por #ostatus :D
juansantiago: A mis contactos de mastodon.social : debido a la acción pro endogénica realizada por los desarrolladores de #mastodon que han dejado de soportar los protocolos #ostatus a medida que los nodos de mastodon se actualicen perderán federación con #gnusocial hasta que gnusocial adopte #activitypub juansantiago@gnusocial.cc será mi perfil principal en el #fediverso
juansantiago's status on Tuesday, 13-Aug-2019 09:12:22 EDT
A mis contactos de mastodon.social : debido a la acción pro endogénica realizada por los desarrolladores de #mastodon que han dejado de soportar los protocolos #ostatus a medida que los nodos de mastodon se actualicen perderán federación con #gnusocial hasta que gnusocial adopte #activitypub juansantiago@gnusocial.cc será mi perfil principal en el #fediverso
strypey: So #Mastodon has announced they are in the process of removing #OStatus support their codebase. Hopefully this will light a fire under the collective arse of whoever is managing the #GNUsocial project, and the dozen or so #fediverse instances still running it, and get #ActivityPub support finished and merged.
strypey's status on Friday, 19-Jul-2019 06:23:43 EDT
So #Mastodon has announced they are in the process of removing #OStatus support their codebase. Hopefully this will light a fire under the collective arse of whoever is managing the #GNUsocial project, and the dozen or so #fediverse instances still running it, and get #ActivityPub support finished and merged.
lightone: NOTE: "direct messages" visibility was changed in #Friendica and #Hubzilla. Now when you send a "private" DM from Mastodon to these two networks, message's visibility in those networks will be limited (yay!)Please, remember, that #OStatus networks - GNU Social, postActiv, as well as any malicious servers - will still show your DMs from Mastodon as public. 🔓
lightone's status on Saturday, 22-Jun-2019 07:45:49 EDT
NOTE: "direct messages" visibility was changed in #Friendica and #Hubzilla. Now when you send a "private" DM from Mastodon to these two networks, message's visibility in those networks will be limited (yay!) Please, remember, that #OStatus networks - GNU Social, postActiv, as well as any malicious servers - will still show your DMs from Mastodon as public. 🔓
colegota: @gabriel el desarrillador dw Mastodon no quiere seguir manteniendo el código de #ostatus que es lo que permite que ambas redes se comuniquen. Por supuesto que ello le llevará un trabajo pero sabe que eso supone la desconexión y se olvida muy pronto que nadie somos nada sin quienes llegaron antes y nos marcaron el camino.
colegota's status on Saturday, 11-May-2019 16:14:26 EDT
@gabriel el desarrillador dw Mastodon no quiere seguir manteniendo el código de #ostatus que es lo que permite que ambas redes se comuniquen. Por supuesto que ello le llevará un trabajo pero sabe que eso supone la desconexión y se olvida muy pronto que nadie somos nada sin quienes llegaron antes y nos marcaron el camino.
lnxw37a2: In the old days ... that is, in the year or two before and after #StatusNet ended and #GNU_Social began (and the bifurcation of one #OStatus network into two networks that couldn't talk to one another) a number of left-leaning projects joined the #Fediverse, seeing it as a way to help solve whatever issue they were working on. Projects in Spain, in France, in South America. And of course, Sweden's EKK and their Qvitter project & Quitter instance. Of these, Qvitter/Quitter lasted longest. What really surprised me is that few right-leaning and even fewer religious-based groups joined back then. Even then, having views that are not far-left was frowned on by the big #corpocentric sites. Believing that some deity exists and that your views and actions should be influenced by that is even more actively opposed by the big sites than rightist views. But even then, the left wingers weren't harassing those who just wanted a space to hang out or the occasional right winger who stumbled into the network. I really need to try to sort out my memories of the Fediverse since I joined Identica in 2009 and publish my own history article. So many of the ones I've seen leave out things I found important, or focus on political things that are only tangential to the overall story. I think many of the mistakes that Evan initially made in 2006-2007 have been repeated by everyone in this space, which is why so many anti-federation proposals are strongly argued for by people who have not been here for a decade.
lnxw37a2's status on Tuesday, 07-May-2019 16:41:45 EDT
In the old days ... that is, in the year or two before and after #StatusNet ended and #GNU_Social began (and the bifurcation of one #OStatus network into two networks that couldn't talk to one another) a number of left-leaning projects joined the #Fediverse, seeing it as a way to help solve whatever issue they were working on. Projects in Spain, in France, in South America. And of course, Sweden's EKK and their Qvitter project & Quitter instance. Of these, Qvitter/Quitter lasted longest. What really surprised me is that few right-leaning and even fewer religious-based groups joined back then. Even then, having views that are not far-left was frowned on by the big #corpocentric sites. Believing that some deity exists and that your views and actions should be influenced by that is even more actively opposed by the big sites than rightist views. But even then, the left wingers weren't harassing those who just wanted a space to hang out or the occasional right winger who stumbled into the network. I really need to try to sort out my memories of the Fediverse since I joined Identica in 2009 and publish my own history article. So many of the ones I've seen leave out things I found important, or focus on political things that are only tangential to the overall story. I think many of the mistakes that Evan initially made in 2006-2007 have been repeated by everyone in this space, which is why so many anti-federation proposals are strongly argued for by people who have not been here for a decade.
strypey: @lightweight @Greg yeah the lack of portability of accounts and data between instances seems like a real weakness of the #OStatus / #ActivityPub standards. It's why I keep circling back to #Zot as a more forward-looking approach, and wonder why almost nobody is trying to support it.
strypey's status on Wednesday, 03-Apr-2019 13:09:29 EDT
@lightweight @Greg yeah the lack of portability of accounts and data between instances seems like a real weakness of the #OStatus / #ActivityPub standards. It's why I keep circling back to #Zot as a more forward-looking approach, and wonder why almost nobody is trying to support it.
jaywink: Friendica 2019.01 released – #friendicahttps://friendi.ca/2019/01/21/friendica-2019-01-released/Congrats to the whole Friendica team for a huge release! Why? It brings Friendica over to the #ActivityPub world, bringing compatibility with tens of additional projects not reachable via #OStatus, #Diaspora or #DFRN protocols. 🎉
jaywink's status on Thursday, 24-Jan-2019 02:53:59 EST
Friendica 2019.01 released – #friendica https://friendi.ca/2019/01/21/friendica-2019-01-released/ Congrats to the whole Friendica team for a huge release! Why? It brings Friendica over to the #ActivityPub world, bringing compatibility with tens of additional projects not reachable via #OStatus, #Diaspora or #DFRN protocols. 🎉
strypey: Hey fediverse admins, have you made sure your instance is being counted by https://the-federation.info/ ? I love being able to respond with that stats site URL when people say "nobody uses federated social networks" elsewhere on the web :) It now counts nodes running any one of 36 server apps, across 9 federation protocols, including #OStatus, and #ActivityPub, reporting about 2 1/2 million users.
strypey's status on Saturday, 19-Jan-2019 03:34:26 EST
Hey fediverse admins, have you made sure your instance is being counted by https://the-federation.info/ ? I love being able to respond with that stats site URL when people say "nobody uses federated social networks" elsewhere on the web :) It now counts nodes running any one of 36 server apps, across 9 federation protocols, including #OStatus, and #ActivityPub, reporting about 2 1/2 million users.
lnxw48a1: @dragnucs What you said about #OStatus is not really true. #GNU_Social downloads more than just 1 or 2 posts when I subscribe to people, and #Mastodon also does and it did long before they added #ActivityPub.
lnxw48a1's status on Friday, 04-Jan-2019 20:24:26 EST
@dragnucs What you said about #OStatus is not really true. #GNU_Social downloads more than just 1 or 2 posts when I subscribe to people, and #Mastodon also does and it did long before they added #ActivityPub.
lnxw37a2: The subject field was implemented, but AFAIR, it did not propagate to other instances. I don't know whether it was a plugin or a switch, but I do recall turning it off on an earlier #Federati instance because it only displayed on the posting instance. As for "Private" posts, GS used to have a private post mode (using advisory privacy) ... but it was removed because people thought it was really private, but it was leaky at best. And yes, the private posts were federated across #OStatus. When I hear about all the "new" halfway-working things in #ActivityPub, almost all of them were tried and discarded in #StatusNet / #GNU_Social before #Mastodon existed.
lnxw37a2's status on Tuesday, 01-Jan-2019 09:31:43 EST
The subject field was implemented, but AFAIR, it did not propagate to other instances. I don't know whether it was a plugin or a switch, but I do recall turning it off on an earlier #Federati instance because it only displayed on the posting instance. As for "Private" posts, GS used to have a private post mode (using advisory privacy) ... but it was removed because people thought it was really private, but it was leaky at best. And yes, the private posts were federated across #OStatus. When I hear about all the "new" halfway-working things in #ActivityPub, almost all of them were tried and discarded in #StatusNet / #GNU_Social before #Mastodon existed.
colegota: @xosem el problema es que !gnusocial no tiene mantenimiento y eliminar #ostatus de Mastodon supone una desconexión de facto. Por otro lado cada vez tengo más la sensación de que se confunde fediverso con Mastodon y federar con comunicarse con Mastodon.
colegota's status on Sunday, 30-Dec-2018 06:55:53 EST
@xosem el problema es que !gnusocial no tiene mantenimiento y eliminar #ostatus de Mastodon supone una desconexión de facto. Por otro lado cada vez tengo más la sensación de que se confunde fediverso con Mastodon y federar con comunicarse con Mastodon.
strypey: @valerauko part of this may be because we're still federating with some apps over #OStatus, because we're still waiting for their #ActivityPub implementations to be rolled out. All I'm saying is it's a really important part of providing a smooth #UX across a diversely federated network. @aral
strypey's status on Tuesday, 18-Dec-2018 04:45:02 EST
@valerauko part of this may be because we're still federating with some apps over #OStatus, because we're still waiting for their #ActivityPub implementations to be rolled out. All I'm saying is it's a really important part of providing a smooth #UX across a diversely federated network. @aral
strypey: @lj_writes I agree with Mike here, AP provides for many functions that aren't yet implemented across all the #fediverse apps, because they couldn't be federated under #OStatus (the older standard #Mastodon adopted from #StatusNet / #GNUsocial) or choices were made not to use them (eg groups in Mastodon). @mike can you recommend the DW crew a more general resource on implementing AP than the Mastodon one they are looking at?
strypey's status on Tuesday, 18-Dec-2018 01:28:52 EST
@lj_writes I agree with Mike here, AP provides for many functions that aren't yet implemented across all the #fediverse apps, because they couldn't be federated under #OStatus (the older standard #Mastodon adopted from #StatusNet / #GNUsocial) or choices were made not to use them (eg groups in Mastodon). @mike can you recommend the DW crew a more general resource on implementing AP than the Mastodon one they are looking at?
lnxw48a1: @tuttle @clacke@social.heldscal.la @andyc @pla @silkevicious @dick_turpin @rpcutts it also made promises it could not keep. It wasn't as easy to self-host, so a lot of people gave up on that. It didn't talk to the #OStatus side, so the most successful and active self-hosters were not there. The private posts didn't conversationalize, so "make your post expressly public" became a thing. And the broken notifications were not fixed before microca.st's demise.
lnxw48a1's status on Tuesday, 11-Dec-2018 04:59:38 EST
@tuttle @clacke@social.heldscal.la @andyc @pla @silkevicious @dick_turpin @rpcutts it also made promises it could not keep. It wasn't as easy to self-host, so a lot of people gave up on that. It didn't talk to the #OStatus side, so the most successful and active self-hosters were not there. The private posts didn't conversationalize, so "make your post expressly public" became a thing. And the broken notifications were not fixed before microca.st's demise.
strypey: @codesections @Alonealastalovedalongthe also > you're always free to pick up and move to a different one.... needs clarification that this requires starting from scratch with no followers. Proper server>server migration is an unsolved problem in #OStatus and #ActivityPub apps, and is likely to remain so for the foreseeable future (unlike #Zot app like #Hubzilla that have #NomadicIdentity)
strypey's status on Sunday, 25-Nov-2018 11:20:00 EST
@codesections @Alonealastalovedalongthe also > you're always free to pick up and move to a different one. ... needs clarification that this requires starting from scratch with no followers. Proper server>server migration is an unsolved problem in #OStatus and #ActivityPub apps, and is likely to remain so for the foreseeable future (unlike #Zot app like #Hubzilla that have #NomadicIdentity)
pfefferle: My #OStatus plugin now also works with #friendica! Thanks @hypoliteStill two more to go... please help me to boost the issues on #pleroma https://git.pleroma.social/pleroma/pleroma/issues/370 and #hubzilla https://framagit.org/hubzilla/core/issues/1297
pfefferle's status on Saturday, 24-Nov-2018 08:00:18 EST
My #OStatus plugin now also works with #friendica! Thanks @hypolite Still two more to go... please help me to boost the issues on #pleroma https://git.pleroma.social/pleroma/pleroma/issues/370 and #hubzilla https://framagit.org/hubzilla/core/issues/1297
WordPress OStatus support (#370) · Issues · Pleroma / pleroma
WordPress OStatus support (#1297) · Issues · hubzilla / core
strypey: Check out the recent updates to the #fediverse guide: http://fediverse.party/The front page showcases federated apps that are mature, aimed at average users (no geek superpowers required to use), and federate robustly using either one of the widely used federation standards; #ActivityPub, #Diaspora, or #OStatus. New pages have been added to include a range of up and coming apps that don't (yet) tick all of those boxes.
strypey's status on Wednesday, 21-Nov-2018 06:47:51 EST
Check out the recent updates to the #fediverse guide: http://fediverse.party/ The front page showcases federated apps that are mature, aimed at average users (no geek superpowers required to use), and federate robustly using either one of the widely used federation standards; #ActivityPub, #Diaspora, or #OStatus. New pages have been added to include a range of up and coming apps that don't (yet) tick all of those boxes.
strypey: @neil @jgmac1106 @bhaugen @KevinMarks @cwebber > I shouldn't need an account on social.coop and sunbeam.city... and you don't. That's the whole point of open, federated protocols like #OStatus and #ActivityPub (and even the Diaspora variant of OStatus). The apps that use these are not monocultures (in the #IndieWeb sense) and never have been. !groups exist in OStatus and in AP, but working implementations are still in progress.
strypey's status on Wednesday, 26-Sep-2018 21:36:16 EDT
@neil @jgmac1106 @bhaugen @KevinMarks @cwebber > I shouldn't need an account on social.coop and sunbeam.city ... and you don't. That's the whole point of open, federated protocols like #OStatus and #ActivityPub (and even the Diaspora variant of OStatus). The apps that use these are not monocultures (in the #IndieWeb sense) and never have been. !groups exist in OStatus and in AP, but working implementations are still in progress.
strypey: @KevinMarks @bhaugen @cwebber @neil #WebFinger isn't part of the AP spec (AFAIK). It's just something Mastodon (and Pleroma) bolt on, so people can continue to use the familiar user@domain.foo ID format, and (I assume) to maintain backwards compatibility with #OStatus.
strypey's status on Wednesday, 26-Sep-2018 11:14:58 EDT
@KevinMarks @bhaugen @cwebber @neil #WebFinger isn't part of the AP spec (AFAIK). It's just something Mastodon (and Pleroma) bolt on, so people can continue to use the familiar user@domain.foo ID format, and (I assume) to maintain backwards compatibility with #OStatus.
strypey: @rick_777 @frankiesaxx @crickxson some of the apps haven't finished their implementations of #ActivityPub yet, and are still federating with Mastodon via #OStatus. I'm hopeful most of them will roll it out by the end of the year (or at the lastest mid-2019). In the meantime, the behaviour of the meta-federation of all the apps remains *very* complicated to explain to newbies ;) Email was probably the same in its first few years (#FidoNet between #BBS prior to the net etc)
strypey's status on Saturday, 15-Sep-2018 06:21:08 EDT
@rick_777 @frankiesaxx @crickxson some of the apps haven't finished their implementations of #ActivityPub yet, and are still federating with Mastodon via #OStatus. I'm hopeful most of them will roll it out by the end of the year (or at the lastest mid-2019). In the meantime, the behaviour of the meta-federation of all the apps remains *very* complicated to explain to newbies ;) Email was probably the same in its first few years (#FidoNet between #BBS prior to the net etc)
strypey: @aadilayub @josephkaminski > core innovation of mastodonYup, the core innovation of Mastodon was to build on something that already existed (#GNUsocial and #OStatus), and offer an alternative way of interacting with that network. People liked the new UI better, and it came out about the same time people were getting frustrated with the corporatization of the birdsite following its IPO, so Mastodon got a lot more tech press than the older apps on the same network ever did.
strypey's status on Monday, 10-Sep-2018 10:58:22 EDT
@aadilayub @josephkaminski > core innovation of mastodon Yup, the core innovation of Mastodon was to build on something that already existed (#GNUsocial and #OStatus), and offer an alternative way of interacting with that network. People liked the new UI better, and it came out about the same time people were getting frustrated with the corporatization of the birdsite following its IPO, so Mastodon got a lot more tech press than the older apps on the same network ever did.
dragnucs: @kris I don't know. Probably because of #OStatus. Here is what I have on #Tusky.
dragnucs's status on Tuesday, 24-Jul-2018 08:26:56 EDT
@kris I don't know. Probably because of #OStatus. Here is what I have on #Tusky.
strypey: @deadsuperhero @dansup @wakest @pfefferle @Bat Quite a few WP plug-ins have experimented with #fediverse integration with both #OStatus and #ActivityPub. Would definitely be good to see all this effort pooled https://gitlab.com/fediverse/fediverse.gitlab.io/issues/13
strypey's status on Thursday, 12-Jul-2018 04:53:05 EDT
@deadsuperhero @dansup @wakest @pfefferle @Bat Quite a few WP plug-ins have experimented with #fediverse integration with both #OStatus and #ActivityPub. Would definitely be good to see all this effort pooled https://gitlab.com/fediverse/fediverse.gitlab.io/issues/13
WordPress (#13) · Issues · Fediverse / fediverse.gitlab.io
strypey: @stigatle you're not going to move to another #fediverse instance? Hopefully #Diaspora can eventually be convinced to support #ActivityPub, since it addresses most of the shortcomings of #OStatus that led them to create their own standardized set of protocols.
strypey's status on Sunday, 08-Jul-2018 08:55:42 EDT
@stigatle you're not going to move to another #fediverse instance? Hopefully #Diaspora can eventually be convinced to support #ActivityPub, since it addresses most of the shortcomings of #OStatus that led them to create their own standardized set of protocols.
erik: Contributors wanted - Fediverse https://fediverse.party/en/post/fediverse-info-contributors-wanted/#thefederation #fediverse #diaspora #ostatus #activitypub #django #vue
erik's status on Sunday, 08-Jul-2018 07:10:02 EDT
Contributors wanted - Fediverse https://fediverse.party/en/post/fediverse-info-contributors-wanted/ #thefederation #fediverse #diaspora #ostatus #activitypub #django #vue
strypey: @Wolf480pl @Michcioperz @Karneolius keep in mind there's no rule that every #AP instance has to connect to every other #AP instance, or connect to them all in the same way. As we increase the "diverse" in #fediverse, all sorts of conventions will emerge for making sure tab As can only be inserted in tab Bs. If needed #AP can be extended or replaced, just as it is replacing #OStatus
strypey's status on Friday, 06-Jul-2018 08:53:47 EDT
@Wolf480pl @Michcioperz @Karneolius keep in mind there's no rule that every #AP instance has to connect to every other #AP instance, or connect to them all in the same way. As we increase the "diverse" in #fediverse, all sorts of conventions will emerge for making sure tab As can only be inserted in tab Bs. If needed #AP can be extended or replaced, just as it is replacing #OStatus