Notices by Charbax (charbax@noagendasocial.com), page 3

@shit @11112011 @alcade @ArdanianRight @Agni maintenance on a windmill is 10000x cheaper than staffing oil rigs, coal mines, maintaining and staffing pipelines, gas stations, also the environmental cost of oil is never friggen calculated. Even a 5 year old can understand climate change, if he's lucky to even be able to breathe in the stinky polluted air of the petrol car polluted city.

@shit @11112011 @alcade @ArdanianRight @Agni wind turbines and solar are a 1 time expense, a 1 time vondtruction/installation, maintenance costs are minimal, can be automated if even they can be mostly avoided. Even a 5 year old can understand that a 1 time investment for practically unlimited free energy forever is way cheaper than pumping, mining, transporting, burning, oil and coal forever.

@shit @11112011 @alcade @ArdanianRight @Agni ya it is a piece of cake. Even it's obvious for a 6 year old. The deniers and the corrupt republicans just prefer to keep delaying the obvious just so that exxon and co can make yet another few Trillion dollars on the status quo. You're looking for the conspiracy the wrong place. Al Gore makes 1'000'000'000'000x less money than ExxonMobil and co.

@ArdanianRight @11112011 @Agni @alcade private industry see no profit decentralizing energy production, Exxonmobil's worst nightmare is renewable. The lands and seas required for renewable are mostly public lands not private. Investment in renewable means the government makes money, it means the tax payer pay less taxes, this is a proven fact. Exxon hates you paying lower energy bills, Exxon hates you paying less to use an electric car. The companies don't want to have the people save money.

@ArdanianRight @11112011 @Agni @alcade modern nuclear exploded in Fukushima radiating all the fish in all of the pacific ocean for decades to come. Everytime you eat fish and everytime you drink California wine, everytime you eat sushi in Japan, you're eating radiated fish meat or wine. This causes millions of cancers as Chernobyl did throughout Europe. Nuclear absolutely is not safe. Nuclear is extremely expensive, centralized, mining Uranium is very polluting and just not sustainable.

@11112011 @ArdanianRight @Agni @alcade hey Blitz it really is simple. Portugal simply must adopt a rapidly growing share of electric cars, and have the smart grid that goes with it, then no fossil will be needed when there's not enough wind or solar then peak comes off the stored energy from the batteries in electric car and from another network of huge energy storage systems that can be constructed around your country. It really is a piece of cake. No fossil needed.

@ArdanianRight @11112011 @Agni @alcade any successful renewable energy example like Denmark and Portugal can be replicated for giant countries like the USA, Brazil, India or China just fine. You've got tons more wind and solar that you are not even tapping 1% of yet. Be a great country and do a great investment into renewable proportionally to the size of your country.

@11112011 @ArdanianRight @Agni @alcade exactly, Portugal has tons of wind and solar, of course Portugal should just keep on build out 10x more of it and export it too. Spain and France can buy your clean energy.

@ArdanianRight @11112011 @Agni @alcade solar and wind is practically free unlimited energy forever. Exxon has their FUD arguments about the killing of birds, about the materials required to build these, about the maintenance costs, about the costs to build a smart grid. Any 6 year old can see all those arguments are total crap. Any one wind turbine powers thousands upon thousands of homes, and nuclear is insanely dangerous, mining uranium pollutes a lot and nobody builds nuclear anymore.

@alcade @11112011 @Agni I can provide the links later I am a bit busy right now. Suggesting things can't be done by basing considerations on the current configurations of energy production and energy consumption is outright dumb. Green New Deal does not suggest going for the status quo, but to change how we do things, that include batteries, tons of batteries everywhere, it means a smart grid, it means tons of electric cars everywhere. Completely dumb to not transition all cars to 100% electric.

@11112011 @alcade @Agni actually they are quite predictable when you take averages, batteries can even that out. What do you think a Billion electric cars are going to run on, grasshoppers, air?

@ITMCitizen solar runs forever, wind takes care of blowing off the dust, or there are other automated ways solar can be self maintained for decades even forever. Same thing for wind. The US doesn't even use 1% of its wind potential, surely if a Trillion dollars was invested in US wind development there would be totally maintenance free wind turbines developed by 2022. Already the current economics of wind make it way way cheaper than coal and oil, why not invest in it to the maximum.

@11112011 @alcade @Agni again that's bullcrap calculations that don't consider batteries and a massive EV battery network and a smart grid deployed to massively help manage renewables varying amounts of wind and solar generated. If you're a society incapable of producing batteries, then sure it's hopeless, but green new deal doesn't suggest we do nothing in terms of energy storage and smart grids quite the contrary.

@adam @kgibson Happy wedding! Just don't be married to your position on climate change 😉

@Agni @alcade at cutrent levels with a generalized fleet of EVs and a smart grif, yes Denmark's wind power generation could average out at 85% of total electric usage for the country. Denmark (some of the upcoming political parties) has plans to build out its wind power to significantly higher extent, mandate all new cars be fully electric, update the smart grid. Denmark could even soon import garbage (cleanly recycled into eectric power) and Denmark can expand its export of its wind energy.

@Agni @alcade On July 9, 2015, 116% of Denmark's national electricity consumption was being produced by wind farms and at 3 am the next morning at low demand, wind production exceeded 140% of Danish demand. Sure it's not the yearly average. But if the Socialist party wins the next election Denmark's overall wind power could make up over 90% of yearly average electricity consumption, as the share i creases rapidly with electric cars and a smart grid.

@alcade @Agni just look Denmark up. We are world leaders in wind energy. Germany and France should have embraced wind 100x more by now. Not building out maximal wind and solar power in any given country is completely stupid. Sure the materials and minimal maintenance has a cost, but that cost is several orders of magnitude less cost than Nuclear, coal, gas or oil, suggesting maintenance costs for renewable is higher is completely wrong. Nuclear/oil/gas/coal costs way more in maintenance.

@Agni @alcade Denmark's electricity is over 85% by wind. If you factor in other crap like the petrol used in cars then sure it's not 85% anymore. Therefore it's an obvious candidate that should transition all it's cars to pure electric. That can be mandated by politicians before 2025 easily.

@alcade modern wind turbines by Vestas are ablr to automatically grease themselves and don't need any maintenance more than once every 15 years in average. It varies of course how large the wind turbine is if it's designed for off shore with fast winds or on shore in an area with less wind. Perhaps not 50K homes per turbine, but 50K electric cars for sure. And a smart grid used those electric car batteries to sustain any peak energy requirement in any country. Thus feeding back into smart grid.

@51rH0n3y84d93r @alcade France hasn't built any new Nuclear since like the 1960ies (mostly, most of their major ones anyways) it's completely bullshit to suggest it's anything that's new. Humans built nuclear when they were complete morons just on the verge of self destruction, chernobyl alone nearly rendered half of Europe inhabitable for thousands of years, nobody wants the stupid nuclear. Nuclear is also ridiculously expensive. Wind and solar is nearly FREE.