Notices by 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org), page 2

@iankenway You absolutely arent alone, not even as a Britain, it is also a view of the left in america.

While I appreciate the links literally not much of this is new information. I've went pretty deep on most of the issue with the left americans.

But I just want to say not being alone on an argument isnt really a good case against its absurdity, if anything, at least in politics, should make us more suspicious of the sanity of an argument not less when there is a large group of the general public that starts agreeing on it, especially when that group is isolated to a particular part of the political spectrum (in this case left).

@MarcusJ65

As I already stated smart people can be horrible presidents, and people. Just because Obama made a LOT of mistakes and is worthy of criticism is NOT evidence (on its own) that he is unintelligent.

Just as the fact that Trump is a moron doesnt prevent him from doing some good things as a president (which I will readily admit).

@inverness01 @vince @ThomasWic

@iankenway In the end the argument that you shouldnt need to identify yourself in order to vote or do anything else for that matter is absurdity in its most extreme.

Common sense should tell people we **need** IDs for a system to have any level of sanity.

One we identify that reality it should all be about making sure IDs are fair and dont oppress certain people, but to take a stance against IDs makes absolutely no sense to me.

I respect your right to the opinion and dont want you to feel attacked, but to me its an absurd stance to take politically.

@iankenway I've read them, at least from a USA perspective. I think most of those points outside of the technical however are non points.

I dont care so much if someone in the past happened to be oppressed by ID laws, I care more about ensuring ID laws in the present dont oppress anyone.

Culture and history are no excuse for not doing things right (Effectively) in the present, although we should learn from those mistakes.

@iankenway Sounds like that is **not** an argument against Ids and **is** an argument for making sure that process becomes free and provides better assistance.

It seems to me lunacy to look at the flaws in that system and go "it is wrong to require IDs" rather than "It is wrong to charge for IDs"...

Dont be part of the problem, be part of the solution, support IDs, oppose ID fees.

@Surasanji true :)

@masterofthetiger What is an invidious?

@alayna its also just heated up bruchetta :)

@adidasJack Also holy shit you were actually serious....

@adidasJack Or, ya know, we just looked up... kinda obvious when you can literally see planets with your own eyes or send a baloon up yourself and even look at the earth.

Its literally obvious and right in front of your face

@Surasanji The netherlands produces most of its own food too, it is also a huge exporter of food in the EU

@Surasanji That could be the case here too, I havent looked. I just know a lot of products are "proudly EU" and usually cost a fortune and have a little tree on the package somewhere :)

@Surasanji Thats part of it I'm sure, at least in the USA.. You see very little chinese goods in europe it seems, at least in the shops.

@Surasanji Cant argue with that.China is basically north korea with actual money and power as far as I can tell.

@Surasanji I agree,, but we only cut off the nations without money apparently... let focus on pakistan some more, lol

@inverness01

You are welcome to that opinion, though I find it to be an incorrect opinion to the extreme.

@MarcusJ65 @vince @ThomasWic

@inverness01

I never said he was presidential, I said the exact opposite, that I didnt consider Obama presidential either. I said he was more capable of expressing intelligence than trump, big difference.

@MarcusJ65 @vince @ThomasWic

@inverness01

Obama read from teleprompters, as such, I dont use examples of him giving public speeches to judge his intelligence. As I said I only used instances where he was talking off-the-cuff to judge him and as I said I found his knowledge and intelligence in those cases to be far superior to trump.

I have watched MANY hours of trump talking in many different settings. I dont take research of candidates lightly. With that said, if you wish, feel free to find me a link of trump talking where he sounds educated, scholarly, modest, and respectful and I will be more than happy to listen to it. Though considering how much of trump talking I've already reviewed I doubt that will change my mind.

@MarcusJ65 @vince @ThomasWic