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Notices by Alexandre Oliva (moved to @lxo@gnusocial.jp) (lxo@gnusocial.net), page 36
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heh, faz sentido. acho que eu era muito pouco sapeca quando criança. parece que eu crescia depressa demais pra dar tempo de estragar as roupas
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RD FYI https://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day
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.oO withdrawing humanitarian support to the Palestine West Bank because of Gaza Strip-based Hamas' terrorist attacks is about as ignorant as withdrawing support to Ukraine because of Ireland Republican Army's terrorist attacks
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ugh, typo alert: by hoffstadter, I meant douglas r. hofstadter, of "gödel, escher, bach", "metamagical themes", "the mind's I", and other delightful reads, some of which have become videos
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yeah, we agree as to the existence of such things, but not about its uniqueness, both WRT species (or even genus), and WRT individuals
part of the complication is the separation between brain and mind; another part is that we can look at things in different scales, and they may seem inexplicably different at different scales (hoffstadter has great imagery about that), but my earlier point about multiplicity/uniqueness hinges a bit on these issues. different parts of our brains have different specializations, so it might be defensible to qualify them as separate organs, or as a single organ with different parts, just as we can look at our bodies and perceive different organs or a single organism. analogously, minds can probably be decomposed into, erhm, components, that may operate jointly or independently, and be perceived as separate entities or as a single entity, depending on scale and perceptions. hoffstadter also offers some an interesting thought experiment about a mind physically separated from the body, but still controlling it remotely, and then (spoiler follows) cloned exactly, and how they both remain one and the same, operating in perfect unison, until they perceive themselves as separate minds, at which point they diverge and start struggling against each other for exclusive control over the body. I find that experiment fascinating.
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thanks for trying, but...
"JavaScript is required for Hostux PrivateBin to work. Sorry for the inconvenience."
what a toxic nightmare the web has become :-(
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heh, like, eating questionable mushrooms is no longer the only known cure for conservatism :-)
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look, I'm not disputing this second mind you perceive, I'm rather corroborating it. I myself have this superpower of offloading problem solving to an intuitive unconscious co-processor that has given me pretty good solutions (and lots of anxiety, as I have no insight into its progress before it gives me an answer, that may or may not be 42 ;-) but in order to function, it requires me not to focus my conscious mind into demanding tasks. whether that means they're sharing the same computing resources, or just that other demanding tasks would draw the intuitive mind's attention, is not known to me. I also need distraction, say, a TV or radio producing background noise that I don't even notice, to be able to fully focus my conscious mind, as if there was some part of my mind that, if not given this distraction, would disrupt the part that is trying to focus on something. it's truly fascinating.
the fable of the struggle between two wolves inside us all is more supporting evidence of our having more than one mind. but why stop at two? we run strange loops in our minds that stand for our models of others' minds, and some even have multiple personalities, in which multiple separate minds seem to inhabit the same brain. IIRC both hoffstadter and damasio perceive some link between the self-referential nature of the mind, with multiple layers of feedback loops, with this explosion of possibilities and complexities
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genocide is bad, but it generally brings about international reproach. genocide with international support is truly terrifying.
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so, if science debunked the joke (I can't read the article, it's hidden behind a javascript wall), what takes the place of "being conservative is a degenerative condition"?
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mmm, batata doce frita
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"embaixada do Hamas", como você citou, é pra ver o nível da desinformação que tá rolando, né?
tem embaixada das FARC, do IRA, dos acampamentos bolsomínions, dos democratas, do partido verde, do partido pirata? não tem. embaixadas quem tem são nações, não partidos, tenham eles braços armados ou não.
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especialmente para fotos
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I'm reminded of some interesting books by Antonio Damasio that I read long ago, that seem apropos and that have certainly influenced my views on the matters under discussion in this thread: "Self comes to Mind: Constructing the Conscious Brain", and "Looking for Spinoza: Joy, Sorrow and the Feeling Brain"
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you're certainly on to something with that intuition, that I've long shared. but it's also a lot more complicated than that IMHO. one the one hand, it's more likely multiple rather than two; on the other, they're probably so intricately intertwined that one may easily perceive them as one. it's not at all unusual for control systems to have opposite forces balancing each other towards a desired equilibrium. lots of dimensions for impulse vs suppression. consider a hungry animal watching another larger animal eating, trying to find the right moment in which going for the remnants won't turn itself into food right away. consider the conflict between the impulse to breath while underwater, vs the awareness and other perceptions that you are underwater and breathing there is not such a great idea, and then the further overrider on top of that out of the awareness and understanding that, despite feeling under water, seeing water all around, it's still safe to breathe because you know there's a air supply. layers and layers and layers of impulse and suppression piled on and on over billions of years of evolution got us this. I can't seriously consider the notion that this only came up a couple of million years ago.
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it still strikes me as extraordinary that any such major thing as a "subconscious mind" would arise fully formed in any evolutionary path. it would take extraordinary evidence to support such a theory, and one of the building blocks would be showing that neighboring species don't carry that trait. I guess that would be enough to disprove it, because once we start looking for that (I mean you and I, not science in general, that must have been looking into that for a long time), we'll surely find plenty of evidence of incremental evolution of this trait, just like of pretty much every other trait we observe in humans.
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too soon!
what's with this pressure and rush to phase out widely used and useful tech?
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when two terrorist forces fight each other, neither should gain support by denouncing the others' terrorist acts. that feeds propaganda machines, rather than information, and reinforces injustices, making further victims because of escalation. when fingers are pointed at others' dirt, we should remember to look for the dirt on the pointing hand.
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isso é um exemplo da assimetria da desinformação.
inventam uma bobagem qualquer em instantes, aí pra desfazer a bobagem dá um trabalhão.
se a pessoa acha que precisa de evidência de um desmentido, sugiro começar pedindo pra ver a evidência do mentido, porque cabe a quem afirma comprovar. tentar descomprovar afirmações absurdas é cair na armadilha. é preciso desarmá-la.
Alexandre Oliva (moved to @lxo@gnusocial.jp)
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