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Notices by neil ๐Ÿ„ (neil@social.coop), page 12

  1. hambibleibt #riseup4Rojava (hambibleibt@todon.nl)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 16:09:06 EDT hambibleibt #riseup4Rojava hambibleibt #riseup4Rojava

    Hello fediverse,
    this is our very first toot.

    "The Hambach Forest, which one could call the last โ€œprimevalโ€ forest in Central Europe, is being stubbed for Europeโ€™s biggest climate pollutant โ€“ the Rhenish lignite mining area of RWE (Rheinisches Braunkohlerevier), in which RWE mines brown coal. Whole villages and the health of human beings are destroyed in this process.
    To prevent all of this it we squatted the Hambacher Forest and take part in other effective and direct Actions."

    Since 2012 it is squatted and defended against cops and security forces from #RWE. #hambibleibt!!!

    Berxwedan Jiyane

    In conversation Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 16:09:06 EDT from todon.nl permalink Repeated by neil
  2. neil ๐Ÿ„ (neil@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 15:38:30 EDT neil 🍄 neil ๐Ÿ„
    • Astrid

    @arden The thing about online homes on the web that I mentioned was a recent blog post: https://doubleloop.net/2019/07/28/municipal-online-housing/

    In conversation Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 15:38:30 EDT from social.coop permalink

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      Municipal online housing
      from doubleloop
      Been thinking lately that it could be a good municipal function to provide people with access to an โ€˜online homeโ€™, analogous to ensuring provision of physical homes. In the same way it could be social, affordable, in a co-op, heck even (but hopefully not) private and rented. The municipality provides some infrastructure and codes/regulations to โ€ฆ
  3. neil ๐Ÿ„ (neil@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 15:36:57 EDT neil 🍄 neil ๐Ÿ„
    • Astrid

    @arden I'm reading the book Future Histories by Lizzie O'Shea at the moment, - https://www.versobooks.com/books/2960-future-histories

    Really good stuff so far... if you're interested keep your eyes on Verso, they sporadically have like 90% off sales on their ebooks..

    In conversation Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 15:36:57 EDT from social.coop permalink
  4. neil ๐Ÿ„ (neil@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 15:34:21 EDT neil 🍄 neil ๐Ÿ„
    in reply to

    Says Oโ€™Shea:

    โ€œWe need to protect space in our minds for the vulgar and the strange, for the unpredictable experiences of living free from the influence of commercialism. Like the flรขneur or flรขneuse, we should aim to cultivate curiosity through this liberated lens.โ€

    In conversation Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 15:34:21 EDT from social.coop permalink
  5. neil ๐Ÿ„ (neil@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 15:34:02 EDT neil 🍄 neil ๐Ÿ„

    In the frame of digital urban planning, this quote from Jane Jacobsโ€™ (discovered via Future Histories) is very IndieWeb:

    โ€œWhat a wonderful challenge there is! Rarely has the citizen had such a chance to reshape the city, and to make it the kind of city that she likes and that others will too. If this means leaving room for the incongruous, or the vulgar or the strange, that is part of the challenge, not the problem. Designing a dream city is easy; rebuilding a living one takes imagination.โ€

    In conversation Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 15:34:02 EDT from social.coop permalink
  6. neil ๐Ÿ„ (neil@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 15:07:44 EDT neil 🍄 neil ๐Ÿ„

    O'Shea is using urban planning as an analogy for thinking about how we could design our digital spaces. Riffing off Freud's thoughts about the mind as a city, and Jane Jacob's work on cities and planning.

    I'm liking this, I was thinking about it recently, with an online presence being like a person's home on the web. Taking it up a layer you think about digital urban planning, how these homes (and other things) fit together to make a city. I like it as a frame.ย 

    In conversation Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 15:07:44 EDT from social.coop permalink
  7. neil ๐Ÿ„ (neil@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 14:52:55 EDT neil 🍄 neil ๐Ÿ„

    Good bit in Future Histories about the Marine Police Office, the oldest police force in England.ย  Set up in cahoots with the merchants, to enforce wage labour paid by time and stamp out the labourers taking stock from the employers.

    "The origins and functions of the police are intimately tied to the management of inequalities of race and class." -- Alex Vitale

    In conversation Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 14:52:55 EDT from social.coop permalink
  8. neil ๐Ÿ„ (neil@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 11:57:35 EDT neil 🍄 neil ๐Ÿ„

    Today's words of the day are:

    - thistledown

    and

    - blackberries

    In conversation Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 11:57:35 EDT from social.coop permalink
  9. neil ๐Ÿ„ (neil@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 07:02:44 EDT neil 🍄 neil ๐Ÿ„

    I've been doing a thing where I've written a blog post and then broken it up into a bunch of toots all posted at once. Dunno if that's good, bad, ugly? Could just link to the blog post. Still thinking on and off that the microblog medium is not the best medium for me. Seems difficult (or an art) to be nuanced about anything in 500 characters or less.

    In conversation Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 07:02:44 EDT from social.coop permalink
  10. neil ๐Ÿ„ (neil@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:54:12 EDT neil 🍄 neil ๐Ÿ„
    in reply to

    Anyway, all fascinating stuff. I don't think I would really call it a documentary, in the sense of historical record. It's more of a visual essay, one man's (elegantly crafted) opinion. Certainly getting me thinking about a few things, can't ask for more than that.

    In conversation Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:54:12 EDT from social.coop permalink
  11. neil ๐Ÿ„ (neil@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:53:54 EDT neil 🍄 neil ๐Ÿ„
    in reply to

    I can't really figure out if he's presenting history as technological determinism or social determinism. It seems a bit of both, e.g. Rand influences tech bros, tech bros build selfish tech, selfish tech drives selfish society. Or nature influences cyberneticians, who translate the technology to the society.

    In conversation Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:53:54 EDT from social.coop permalink
  12. neil ๐Ÿ„ (neil@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:53:30 EDT neil 🍄 neil ๐Ÿ„
    in reply to

    (Part 3 gonna be some synthesis or middle ground? Is he going to suggest that society is dynamic, we shouldn't cling to a notion of natural balance, that we need a radically new system to beat climate breakdown and inequality, and that technology should serve society, not the other way round? If so. I'm down with that.)

    In conversation Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:53:30 EDT from social.coop permalink
  13. neil ๐Ÿ„ (neil@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:52:58 EDT neil 🍄 neil ๐Ÿ„
    in reply to

    So probably the common theme between the two episodes is that of being against blind faith in technology for societal ends. Part 1, he didn't like the undue faith given to algorithms to support selfishness and neoliberal financial systems. Part 2, he doesn't like how ideas from technology were used to support the idea that humans are relatively unimportant cogs in a larger system.

    In conversation Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:52:58 EDT from social.coop permalink
  14. neil ๐Ÿ„ (neil@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:52:33 EDT neil 🍄 neil ๐Ÿ„
    in reply to

    I think he was making the point that nature doesn't tend towards a stable equilibrium, so we shouldn't lean on that idea for our social systems. I don't think I've seen a modern environmental movement, at least the ones I'm interested in, suggest that we *don't* need to radically change the system though. Maybe I need to read more into the Club of Rome and what it's current descendents are.

    In conversation Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:52:33 EDT from social.coop permalink
  15. neil ๐Ÿ„ (neil@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:51:49 EDT neil 🍄 neil ๐Ÿ„
    in reply to

    The suggestion that the ideas of the balance of nature and ecosystems thinking is all bunk, is all new to me. That's really interesting. I've fairly unthinkingly bought into a strain of thought that we are affecting an implicit natural balance, the narrative that we're interfering with delicately balanced ecosystems, and that we need to not do that, in order to prevent the worst of climate breakdown. I'd never really thought of that as being concomitant with trying to preserve an unequal system.

    In conversation Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:51:49 EDT from social.coop permalink
  16. neil ๐Ÿ„ (neil@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:50:34 EDT neil 🍄 neil ๐Ÿ„
    in reply to

    I found it really interesting when talking about the Club of Rome and limits to growth. Apparently the idea of stopping growth and finding โ€˜a natural balanceโ€™ (in an attempt to curtail climate catastrophe) was protested at the time as being akin to Jan Smutsโ€™ โ€˜holismโ€™ โ€“ a disingenuous and racist way to maintain a currently unequal system. I guess the protestors werenโ€™t championing growth, though โ€“ presumably they wanted a complete system change altogether.

    In conversation Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:50:34 EDT from social.coop permalink
  17. neil ๐Ÿ„ (neil@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:49:57 EDT neil 🍄 neil ๐Ÿ„
    in reply to

    I think he probably strawmans cybernetics a bit for his own ends there, but I suppose machine control makes for a good boogieman. He also seemed to be saying that hiearchy creeps in, however horizontal and interconnected you try to make your structure, so you shouldnโ€™t bother trying a flat structure. Again, I donโ€™t think total flatness is really how cybernetics presents systems theory though (although I donโ€™t know a lot about cybernetics to be fair.)

    In conversation Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:49:57 EDT from social.coop permalink
  18. neil ๐Ÿ„ (neil@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:49:36 EDT neil 🍄 neil ๐Ÿ„
    in reply to

    I think the main gist of the argument was against the ideas from systems theory and cybernetics that either nature or society have a tendency to self-regulate and self-stabilise. He seemed to be making the point that all attempts at a kind of social homeostasis are doomed to failure, because itโ€™s based on flawed thinking, and that it doesnโ€™t translate from machines to societies.

    In conversation Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:49:36 EDT from social.coop permalink
  19. neil ๐Ÿ„ (neil@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:49:04 EDT neil 🍄 neil ๐Ÿ„
    in reply to

    Letโ€™s see โ€“ it was linking together ecosystems, cybernetics, counterculture communes, the Club of Romeโ€™s take on tackling climate change, and some of the revolutions in the first decade of the 2000s where social media was kindling.

    In conversation Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:49:04 EDT from social.coop permalink
  20. neil ๐Ÿ„ (neil@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:48:24 EDT neil 🍄 neil ๐Ÿ„

    Watched the second part of All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace: โ€œThe Use and Abuse of Vegetational Conceptsโ€.

    Like part 1, it is very enjoyable. The themes are all up my alley, although I didnโ€™t really seem to pick up on an overarching thread as much in this part. Struggling to piece it together into something coherent in my head. I guess it had less well-known characters to wrap a story around.

    In conversation Saturday, 03-Aug-2019 06:48:24 EDT from social.coop permalink
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