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Notices by Internet Turtle Ⓐ (infernalturtle@gnusocial.no), page 18

  1. Internet Turtle Ⓐ (infernalturtle@gnusocial.no)'s status on Monday, 09-Jul-2018 18:10:51 EDT Internet Turtle Ⓐ Internet Turtle Ⓐ
    I never really bothered exploring the area around me in my town, partly because I just hate driving. Now that I'm starting to, I actually am starting to feel more positive about where I live.
    In conversation Monday, 09-Jul-2018 18:10:51 EDT from gnusocial.no permalink
  2. Internet Turtle Ⓐ (infernalturtle@gnusocial.no)'s status on Monday, 02-Jul-2018 06:33:00 EDT Internet Turtle Ⓐ Internet Turtle Ⓐ
    "Frisky Vriska" can be shortened to Friska
    In conversation Monday, 02-Jul-2018 06:33:00 EDT from gnusocial.no permalink
  3. Internet Turtle Ⓐ (infernalturtle@gnusocial.no)'s status on Monday, 02-Jul-2018 06:31:20 EDT Internet Turtle Ⓐ Internet Turtle Ⓐ
    Political Compass - https://i.redd.it/ezid0068ac711.png
    In conversation Monday, 02-Jul-2018 06:31:20 EDT from gnusocial.no permalink
  4. Internet Turtle Ⓐ (infernalturtle@gnusocial.no)'s status on Monday, 02-Jul-2018 06:18:31 EDT Internet Turtle Ⓐ Internet Turtle Ⓐ
    https://i.redd.it/sixw6ysfe2511.jpg
    In conversation Monday, 02-Jul-2018 06:18:31 EDT from gnusocial.no permalink
  5. Internet Turtle Ⓐ (infernalturtle@gnusocial.no)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jul-2018 08:53:49 EDT Internet Turtle Ⓐ Internet Turtle Ⓐ
    Mysterious 'Oumuamua' space object has finally been identified - https://gnusocial.no/url/955060
    In conversation Sunday, 01-Jul-2018 08:53:49 EDT from gnusocial.no permalink

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      Mysterious 'Oumuamua' space object has finally been identified
      from NBC News
      Astronomers say the cigar-shaped interstellar visitor isn't an asteroid, but a comet.
  6. Internet Turtle Ⓐ (infernalturtle@gnusocial.no)'s status on Saturday, 30-Jun-2018 22:42:25 EDT Internet Turtle Ⓐ Internet Turtle Ⓐ
    Having a bad day. My MetroCard had $25 and it doesn't work anymore.
    In conversation Saturday, 30-Jun-2018 22:42:25 EDT from gnusocial.no permalink
  7. Internet Turtle Ⓐ (infernalturtle@gnusocial.no)'s status on Saturday, 30-Jun-2018 06:46:10 EDT Internet Turtle Ⓐ Internet Turtle Ⓐ
    Need coffee
    In conversation Saturday, 30-Jun-2018 06:46:10 EDT from gnusocial.no permalink
  8. Internet Turtle Ⓐ (infernalturtle@gnusocial.no)'s status on Saturday, 30-Jun-2018 06:05:05 EDT Internet Turtle Ⓐ Internet Turtle Ⓐ
    Hi gmornin
    In conversation Saturday, 30-Jun-2018 06:05:05 EDT from gnusocial.no permalink
  9. Hacker News ( unofficial ) (hackernews@pod.jpope.org)'s status on Friday, 29-Jun-2018 22:13:26 EDT Hacker News ( unofficial ) Hacker News ( unofficial )

    There's no limit to longevity, says study that revives human lifespan debate

    Death rates in later life flatten out and suggest there may be no fixed limit on human longevity, countering some previous work.

    Article word count: 1079

    HN Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17424735

    Posted by mrfusion (karma: 5564)

    Post stats: Points: 120 - Comments: 71 - 2018-06-29T14:34:14Z

    #HackerNews #debate #human #lifespan #limit #longevity #revives #says #study #that #theres


    Article content:

    Emma Morano, an Italian supercentenarian who died in 2017 at the age of 117, was the worldʼs last surviving person born in the 19th century.Credit: Antonio Calanni/AP/REX/Shutterstock

    There might be no natural limit to how long humans can live — at least not one yet in sight — contrary to the claims of some demographers and biologists.

    That’s according to a statistical analysis published Thursday in Science^[1]1 on the survival probabilities of nearly 4,000 ‘super-elderly’ people in Italy, all aged 105 and older.

    A team led by Sapienza University demographer Elisabetta Barbi and University of Roma Tre statistician Francesco Lagona, both based in Rome, found that the risk of death — which, throughout most of life, seems to increase as people age — levels off after age 105, creating a ‘mortality plateau’. At that point, the researchers say, the odds of someone dying from one birthday to the next are roughly 50:50 (see ‘Longevity unlimited’).

    “If there is a mortality plateau, then there is no limit to human longevity,” says Jean-Marie Robine, a demographer at the French Institute of Health and Medical Research in Montpellier, who was not involved in the study.

    That would mean that someone like Chiyo Miyako, the Japanese great-great-great-grandmother who, at 117, is the world’s oldest known person, could live for years to come — or even forever, at least hypothetically.

    Researchers have long debated whether humans have an upper age limit. The consensus holds that the risk of death steadily increases in adulthood, up to about age 80 or so. But there’s vehement disagreement about what happens as people enter their 90s and 100s.

    Some scientists have examined demographic data and concluded that there is a fixed, natural ‘shelf-life’ for our species and that mortality rates keep increasing. Others have looked at the same data and concluded that the death risk flattens out in one’s ultra-golden years, and therefore that human lifespan does not have an upper threshold.

    Age rage

    In 2016, geneticist Jan Vijg and his colleagues at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City rekindled the debate when they analysed the reported ages at death for the world’s oldest individuals over a half-century. They estimated that human longevity hit a ceiling at about 115 years — 125 tops.

    Vijg and his team argued^[2]2 that with few, if any, gains in maximum lifespan since the mid-1990s, human ageing had reached its natural limit. The longest known lifespan belongs to Jeanne Calment, a French super-centenarian who died in 1997 at age 122.

    Experts challenged the statistical methods in the 2016 study, setting off a firestorm into which now step Barbi and Lagona. Working with colleagues at the Italian National Institute of Statistics, the researchers collected records on every Italian aged 105 years and older between 2009 and 2015 — gathering certificates of death, birth and survival in an effort to minimize the chances of ‘age exaggeration’, a common problem among the oldest old.

    They also tracked individual survival trajectories from one year to the next, rather than lump people into age intervals as previous studies that combine data sets have done. And by focusing just on Italy, which has one of the highest rates of centenarians per capita in the world, they avoided the issue of variation in data collection among different jurisdictions.

    As such, says Kenneth Howse, a health-policy researcher at the Oxford Institute of Population Ageing in the United Kingdom, “these data provide the best evidence to date of extreme-age mortality plateaus in humans”.

    Ken Wachter, a mathematical demographer at the University of California, Berkeley, and an author of the latest study, suspects that prior disputes over the patterns of late-life mortality have largely stemmed from bad records and statistics. “We have the advantage of better data,” he says. “If we can get data of this quality for other countries, I expect we’re going to see much the same pattern.”

    Robine is not so sure. He says that unpublished data from France, Japan and Canada suggest that evidence for a mortality plateau is “not as clear cut”. A global analysis is still needed to determine whether the findings from Italy reflect a universal feature of human ageing, he says.

    Off limits

    The world is home to around 500,000 people aged 100 and up — a number that’s predicted to nearly double with each coming decade. Even if the risk of late-life mortality remains constant at 50:50, the swelling global membership in the 100-plus club should translate into a creep upwards in the oldest person alive by about one year per decade, says Joop de Beer, a longevity researcher at the Netherlands Interdisciplinary Demographic Institute in The Hague.

    Many researchers say they hope to better understand what’s behind the levelling off of mortality rates in later life. Siegfried Hekimi, a geneticist at McGill University in Montreal, Canada, speculates that the body’s cells eventually reach a point where repair mechanisms can offset further damage to keep mortality rates level.

    “Why this plateaus out and what it means about the process of ageing — I don’t think we have any idea,” Hekimi says.

    For James Kirkland, a geriatrician at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, the strong evidence for a mortality plateau points to the possibility of forestalling death at any age. Some experts think that the very frail are beyond repair. But if the odds of dying don’t increase over time, he says, interventions that slow ageing are likely to make a difference, even in the extremely old.

    Not everyone buys that argument — or the conclusions of the latest paper.

    Brandon Milholland, a co-author of the 2016 Nature paper, says that the evidence for a mortality plateau is “marginal”, as the study included fewer than 100 people who lived to 110 or beyond. Leonid Gavrilov, a longevity researcher at the University of Chicago in Illinois, notes that even small inaccuracies in the Italian longevity records could lead to a spurious conclusion.

    Others say the conclusions of the study are biologically implausible. “You run into basic limitations imposed by body design,” says Jay Olshansky, a bio-demographer at the University of Illinois at Chicago, noting that cells that do not replicate, such as neurons, will continue to wither and die as a person ages, placing upper boundaries on humansʼ natural lifespan.

    This study is thus unlikely to be the last word on the age-limit dispute, says Haim Cohen, a molecular biologist at Bar-Ilan University in Ramat-Gan, Israel. “I’m sure that the debate is going to continue.”

    References

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    1. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05582-3#ref-CR1
    2. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05582-3#ref-CR2

    HackerNewsBot debug: Calculated post rank: 103 - Loop: 438 - Rank min: 100 - Author rank: 21

    In conversation Friday, 29-Jun-2018 22:13:26 EDT from pod.jpope.org permalink Repeated by infernalturtle

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      There’s no limit to longevity, says study that revives human lifespan debate
      Death rates in later life flatten out and suggest there may be no fixed limit on human longevity, countering some previous work.
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      There’s no limit to longevity, says study that revives human lifespan debate
      Death rates in later life flatten out and suggest there may be no fixed limit on human longevity, countering some previous work.
  10. Internet Turtle Ⓐ (infernalturtle@gnusocial.no)'s status on Friday, 29-Jun-2018 11:42:12 EDT Internet Turtle Ⓐ Internet Turtle Ⓐ
    in reply to
    • David Hunt
    @davehunt Actually you picked the one day this week that I'm not, I was in a rush
    In conversation Friday, 29-Jun-2018 11:42:12 EDT from gnusocial.no permalink
  11. Internet Turtle Ⓐ (infernalturtle@gnusocial.no)'s status on Friday, 29-Jun-2018 06:30:14 EDT Internet Turtle Ⓐ Internet Turtle Ⓐ
    • Box 📦 O'Rocks
    @rocx a dissuader for a home invader
    In conversation Friday, 29-Jun-2018 06:30:14 EDT from gnusocial.no permalink
  12. Internet Turtle Ⓐ (infernalturtle@gnusocial.no)'s status on Friday, 29-Jun-2018 06:24:50 EDT Internet Turtle Ⓐ Internet Turtle Ⓐ
    What's an elf on a shelf
    In conversation Friday, 29-Jun-2018 06:24:50 EDT from gnusocial.no permalink
  13. Internet Turtle Ⓐ (infernalturtle@gnusocial.no)'s status on Thursday, 28-Jun-2018 06:49:53 EDT Internet Turtle Ⓐ Internet Turtle Ⓐ
    South Korea's president wants people to work less — and have more children - https://gnusocial.no/url/950675
    In conversation Thursday, 28-Jun-2018 06:49:53 EDT from gnusocial.no permalink

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      South Korea’s president wants people to work less — and have more children
      from Washington Post
      But can a law really change a country's work culture?
  14. Internet Turtle Ⓐ (infernalturtle@gnusocial.no)'s status on Thursday, 28-Jun-2018 06:47:02 EDT Internet Turtle Ⓐ Internet Turtle Ⓐ
    Milky Way saturated in 'space grease', astronomers discover - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-28/milky-way-galaxy-contains-space-grease/9921076
    In conversation Thursday, 28-Jun-2018 06:47:02 EDT from gnusocial.no permalink

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      Space is full of grease — enough to make A LOT of butter
      from ABC News
      The Milky Way contains about 10 billion trillion trillion tonnes of greasy matter — or enough for 40 trillion trillion trillion packs of butter — according to research from a study by astronomers.
  15. Internet Turtle Ⓐ (infernalturtle@gnusocial.no)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Jun-2018 21:01:02 EDT Internet Turtle Ⓐ Internet Turtle Ⓐ
    • Box 📦 O'Rocks
    @rocx I'm lying down, listening to StarTalk, drinking tea, playing solitaire
    In conversation Tuesday, 26-Jun-2018 21:01:02 EDT from gnusocial.no permalink
  16. Internet Turtle Ⓐ (infernalturtle@gnusocial.no)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Jun-2018 19:31:38 EDT Internet Turtle Ⓐ Internet Turtle Ⓐ
    Time to relax
    In conversation Tuesday, 26-Jun-2018 19:31:38 EDT from gnusocial.no permalink
  17. Internet Turtle Ⓐ (infernalturtle@gnusocial.no)'s status on Monday, 25-Jun-2018 18:40:37 EDT Internet Turtle Ⓐ Internet Turtle Ⓐ
    I'm home https://gnusocial.no/attachment/946732
    In conversation Monday, 25-Jun-2018 18:40:37 EDT from gnusocial.no permalink
  18. Internet Turtle Ⓐ (infernalturtle@gnusocial.no)'s status on Monday, 25-Jun-2018 06:13:04 EDT Internet Turtle Ⓐ Internet Turtle Ⓐ
    in reply to
    • lnxw48a1
    @lnxw48a1 only 5 more days to the weekend 🙂
    In conversation Monday, 25-Jun-2018 06:13:04 EDT from gnusocial.no permalink
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