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1. ultimape 🐜💩 💛 (ultimape@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2017 02:51:49 EDT ultimape 🐜💩 💛

   “Don’t immanentize the eschaton!”
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   "The 20th-century gnostic dream was to use the power of mass movements controlled by the state to transfigure the nature of man and thereby establish a terrestrial paradise superior to the cruel and unjust world that some supposed God had created. That dream became the totalitarian nightmare of the 20th century—one that any decent person could see midway through the century, if not earlier."
   https://www.the-american-interest.com/2014/12/10/the-voegelin-enigma/

   1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2017 03:29:05 EDT clacke

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      @ultimape I fell asleep halfway through from exhaustion, but yeah, don't immanentize the eschaton.
      
      We will outsmart the demiurge though. Just that we won't do it to immanentize the eschaton, we'll delay it indefinitely. But we won't do it with a state-orchestrated top-down society.
      
      The main problem of totalitarian ideology is the conflation of society and state.
      1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2017 03:51:22 EDT clacke

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         @ultimape Omg now 32 posts of context streamed into my view. I read half of Meditations on Moloch the other day, at least.
         
         I like the Principia Discordia quote. That's about the level my brain is on this week.