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@maiyannah @mmn @pettter @bob The thing most Codes of Conduct miss is that society already has adopted a Code of Conduct. It's called norms. Pretty much everyone knows the common norms of society, such as not slapping women on the butt. The problem is that not everyone is willing to respect those norms. However since people can be assumed to be already aware of the common norms you can safely assume that when your norm is violated it's either because someone doesn't care about the norm, in which case a Code of Conduct doesn't help, or your norm isn't actually considered a norm by that person, in which case a Code of Conduct is dubious as well since people tend not to respond too well to foreign norms being imposed on them. (1/2)
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@maiyannah @mmn @pettter @bob The one big exception is when people are consciously and deliberately entering a foreign "culture", then they tend to be more willing to temporarily adopt foreign norms. E.g. not blaspheming when you're visiting a religious family. However most of the stuff CoC's are marketed to protect against are already violations of common western cultural norms so they don't add protection against that. And places like technical conferences typically aren't seen as foreign cultures by participants, meaning they're not going to be voluntarily adapting added norms, at best they do it grudgingly. Only people who already share norms with the conference will have no problem with any added norms. Meanwhile those added norms that are different from western common norms are likely to be pretty political things, as in very leftist identity politics stuff. So you make people unhappy and needlessly politicize your conference without gaining any real benefits.
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@verius It is also the norm in society to use name-calling, talk behind peoples' backs and cheat your way to the top. I wouldn't say the norms of society matches a proper code of conduct.
The code of conduct helps by having something to point at and saying "this is unacceptable". Where are your written down norms of society that are universally (or even locally) agreed upon? For example I agree that slapping people on the butt is generally frowned upon, but calling them inappropriate things or making up "funny" nicknames is part of this societal norm that you speak of.
Also, code of conducts are perhaps most useful as a starting ground for discussion. Put up a code of conduct, see who complains the loudest and about what. Identify and handle that problem (perhaps the person complaining, perhaps the overly naive/strict/irrelevant rule). Rinse and repeat.
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--I wouldn't say the norms of society matches a proper code of conduct.--
There is never 100% of a said population that follows the rules established and you can't for those people force them under it and if you do so it will inevitably be by passive violence which will never change people (if that's your goal of course).
--The code of conduct helps by having something to point at and saying "this is unacceptable"--
And the "unacceptable" points to definitions which can change with time either if it's just a social thing (but that's normally very long) or gov controlled or memetics warfare.
--Put up a code of conduct, see who complains the loudest and about what.--
Wouldn't it be better to listen to those who simply complain and not only those who shout the most ?
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Re: last point. The followup sentence hinted at maybe the loudest person _is_ the problem and should be handled accordingly. Not necessarily in a bad way, but if there's just one loud moron that makes everyone else stay quiet... That's probably the first issue to deal with. (Reasonable people won't fall in thia as trap and will argue their points rationally and leave the vore to the majority).
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aka priority management ;)
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