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1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2017 08:59:20 EST clacke
   @intherain @neither @bob It makes more sense that he would argue for leaving FB as he has worked together with Doctorow and gives a speech at #34c3. I will look it up and form my own impression.
   1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2017 09:00:27 EST clacke

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      @bob @intherain @neither
      
      Ok, that wasn't hard.
      
      https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-9270-dude_you_broke_the_future
      
      1h. Will watch when the others are finally asleep. :-)
      1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 30-Dec-2017 20:17:34 EST clacke

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         Watched it. Charles Stross talks about the AIs already among us, who were implemented in the 18th century and gained legal personhood in the 19th century, and notes how blind many people warning against paper clip maximizers are to the fact that we already have revenue/eyeball/outrage maximizers.
         
         I like that he brings up the Chinese Room in the Q&A. In my view, the Chinese Room intends to disprove AI, but the room *is*, in fact, intelligent. And the same goes for a corporation.
         
         A corporation is an AI implemented on a human/paper/computer substrate, and its computer component, and therefore effectiveness, is increasing.
         
         What Stross himself fails to see is that his countermeasure, the state, is an even older AI[0], which does its own maximizing independently of the humans that power its machinery and the overt goals set by its voters and leaders.
         
         [0] or -- if you count only the impersonal liberal democracy, as most older states were more, but not entirely, like a prosthetic of the individual ruler -- about as old as the corporation
         1. Alexandre Oliva (lxoliva@social.libreplanetbr.org)'s status on Sunday, 31-Dec-2017 02:37:33 EST Alexandre Oliva

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            huh. that sounds a lot like the first half of my "The Singularity, The Matrix and the Terminator", first presented at LibrePlanet in March, 2016. thanks for saving me from that surprise; I was already planning to watch this speech, now I really have to ;-)