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1. DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab (djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2018 19:45:36 EST DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab

   like, computers are tools.

   we have a field of study and an industry juggernaut that amounts to "tool using and refining industry" and that seems pretty ludicrous?

   I get closer to talking myself into farming every heckin minute, I should slow down before I start composting.

   1. Loathing Summer Heating Season (beadsland@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2018 19:46:20 EST Loathing Summer Heating Season

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      @djsundog compostposting

   2. Loathing Summer Heating Season (beadsland@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2018 19:52:25 EST Loathing Summer Heating Season

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      @djsundog We need more design "lathing and milling" specialists, fewer software "engineers".

      1. Vertigo (vertigo@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2018 21:50:16 EST Vertigo

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         @beadsland @djsundog I really think that we should return to an apprenticeship model for bringing up new software engineers and architects.

         1. Loathing Summer Heating Season (beadsland@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2018 21:52:47 EST Loathing Summer Heating Season

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            @vertigo @djsundog I really think we should stop using the word "engineer" to describe someone who has none of the structural liability for getting things wrong that true engineers have.

            1. Vertigo (vertigo@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2018 21:53:57 EST Vertigo

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               @beadsland @djsundog There was a time in my life when I'd oppose this vociferously. Today, I'm in total agreement.

               I still use the term "software engineer" here in the bay area because it sells well. But, I now loathe it. I don't want to be a software engineer anymore. I just want to be a programmer. I'm happy with just "programmer."

               1. evilchili (evilchili@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2018 22:10:10 EST evilchili

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                  @vertigo @djsundog @beadsland my current actual title is Senior Systems Development Engineer, which is the most breathlessly stupid way of saying "sysadmin" I have yet encountered.

   3. inmysocks Of Doom, Naked KSC (inmysocks@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2018 19:55:30 EST inmysocks Of Doom, Naked KSC

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      @djsundog I was a farmer before I was an engineer. I have the feeling that I will be a farmer again before too much longer.

      1. DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab (djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2018 19:58:48 EST DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab

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         @inmysocks I grew up helping out around my grandfather's small farm out behind the house. I am always a half-step away from tossing all this crap for forty acres and an old tractor.

   4. DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab (djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Jan-2018 20:08:00 EST DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab

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      for the record, we do compost a bit here at the Sundogistani Consulate, as well as grow a bit of our own food when the local beasties allow us to get some of it.

      I plan to increase it this year, see if little by little I can't build a more integrated life for us.