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1. Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jan-2018 04:23:20 EST Tobias Dausend
   @apertus Using GNUsocial with no limit predefined. :)
   1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Feb-2018 13:19:26 EST Danyl Strype

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      @throgh @apertus turns #GNUSocial into #Wordpress or #Hubzilla and seems to remove its main point of difference (micro-blogging)
      1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Feb-2018 13:20:00 EST Danyl Strype

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         @apertus @throgh but hey, let a thousands flowers bloom ;)
         1. Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Feb-2018 14:10:35 EST Tobias Dausend

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            @strypey @apertus Well, micro-blogging is also some kind of direct communication, establishing direct talking to each other and having also the possibility to write longer postings has some positive side-effects because being restricted is never good. ;-)
            1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Feb-2018 14:15:07 EST Danyl Strype

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               @throgh @apertus sure, but it has the major downside of impenetrable walls of text, that break the #UX of apps intended for short messages
               1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Feb-2018 14:17:44 EST Danyl Strype

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                  @apertus @throgh that said, I think 140chars is too short, and that #Mastodon gets it about right with 500.
                  1. Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Feb-2018 14:22:36 EST Tobias Dausend

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                     @strypey @apertus Just have in mind that reducing our communication has also major negative influences as leaving our society with reduced amount of patience and the expectant attitude for having every complex problem declared (and already solved) within shortened messages.
                     
                     Of course this is also a shortened description of real bigger problem itself from my side, but it's already noticable that with #Twitter and Co. most discussions are not that kind of long. Therefore my thesis here and also my attitude towards a good middle way.
                     1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Feb-2018 23:28:33 EST Danyl Strype

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                        @throgh fair point, but we do have plenty of blogging platforms whose #UX is designed for sharing long form prose.
                        1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Feb-2018 23:34:36 EST Danyl Strype

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                           @throgh @therealpennyfortheguy the problem is users trying to have complex discussions entirely on the #birdsite (or in the #fediverse) ...
                           1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Feb-2018 23:35:12 EST Danyl Strype

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                              @therealpennyfortheguy @throgh ... instead of writing a blog piece, allowing them work through their thoughts properly, and posting a link
                              1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Feb-2018 23:36:14 EST Danyl Strype

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                                 @therealpennyfortheguy @throgh I'd love to see #fediverse software integrated with blog software so the UI would do that for you ...
                                 1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Feb-2018 23:36:48 EST Danyl Strype

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                                    @therealpennyfortheguy @throgh ... preserving the #UX of a stream of short messages but also allowing more nuanced discussions automatically
                                    1. Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2018 00:09:51 EST Tobias Dausend

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                                       @strypey @therealpennyfortheguy Well you need even more messages to write down your thoughts. I think it's a good for #GNUSocial having no further restrictions and possibilities within an initial configuration for an instance and having also no restrictions on the interface itself. Besides the thoughts and discussions are more valuable for me than any "look and feel" of the stream itself. :-)
                                       1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2018 01:16:27 EST Danyl Strype

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                                          @throgh @therealpennyfortheguy it's about differing use cases, not "look and feel". If I want to read long form, I web search for blogs
                                          1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2018 01:31:27 EST Danyl Strype

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                                             @therealpennyfortheguy @throgh I come to a micro-blog stream for links, quotes, short comments, and casual chat. Long prose breaks that #UX
                                             1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2018 01:46:50 EST Danyl Strype

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                                                @therealpennyfortheguy @throgh yes, I do need to use multiple posts, because Quitter.se has a 140 limit including @mentions and links
                                                1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2018 01:48:23 EST Danyl Strype

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                                                   @therealpennyfortheguy @throgh like I said, I think the #Mastodon limit of 500 chars is about right for micro-blogging
                                                   1. Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2018 03:20:21 EST Tobias Dausend

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                                                      @strypey @therealpennyfortheguy When blogging comes also to some discussions, I'm with you. But when looking around we are loosing so-called discussion culture and therefore I don't give much on the user-experience itself. It's about staying in touch with thoughts, bigger or lesser in articulation and writing. :-)
                                                      1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2018 08:25:20 EST Danyl Strype

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                                                         @throgh @therealpennyfortheguy imagine I sent you a book I've written in the body of an email. Would you to read it in your email client?
                                                         1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2018 08:26:30 EST Danyl Strype

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                                                            @therealpennyfortheguy @throgh or would you say something like "WTF dude! Just sent me a link to a .PDF on the web like a normal person"
                                                         2. PennyForTheGuy (therealpennyfortheguy@quitter.no)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2018 08:34:28 EST PennyForTheGuy

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                                                            @strypey @throgh I don't accept any form of "attachments in email" I instantly delete them.
                                                            1. Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2018 11:11:12 EST Tobias Dausend

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                                                               @strypey It depends on the sender and the level of trust. But as spoken out from @therealpennyforthegu ... I would not accept the attachment itself without questioning. But that's another use-case: We are just talking about the amount of text and the user-experience inbound. I have no problem when you have another view on that, but it's all about reducing our communication with no further reason: I had also enough examples on #Diaspora and comparable platforms ... people tend to just simplified contexts, breaking up with discussions and talks, also with no reason or just the short comment on their own echochamber being unharmed. That's my drive in that, because I want a free society with free talks and openminded, reasonable discussions. Otherwise we won't solve our problems with simplified messages and talks.
                                                               1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2018 11:23:34 EST Danyl Strype

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                                                                  @throgh @therealpennyfortheguy we're not talking about an attachment, I'm sending you a book in the *main body* of the email. Do you read?
                                                                  1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2018 11:25:26 EST Danyl Strype

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                                                                     @therealpennyfortheguy @throgh of course you don't, because it's an unsuitable length of text for the delivery mechanism and interface
                                                                     1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2018 11:26:26 EST Danyl Strype

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                                                                        @therealpennyfortheguy @throgh I agree that the problem you're describing exists, but emailing people book length texts won't fix it either
                                                                        1. Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2018 11:57:25 EST Tobias Dausend

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                                                                           @strypey @therealpennyfortheguy Sorry, that's my fault because I have read about "attachment" within the discussion. But you won't fix it either when demanding for "user-experience"! That's my point. We won't have a final conclusion on that point because there is no such easy solution in the end. But the problem is here: Shortened messages for complex. And being honest: There is no amount of text defined to be sent via email, so of course I'd like to read a wall. Nevertheless: Copying a complete book is a bit overdriven comparison. :-)
                                                                           1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 23-Feb-2018 00:43:41 EST Danyl Strype

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                                                                              @throgh @therealpennyfortheguy I already offered a solution that doesn't break the short messages #UX 
                                                                              https://quitter.se/notice/23730109
                                                                              1. Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Friday, 23-Feb-2018 03:22:20 EST Tobias Dausend

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                                                                                 @strypey Yes I've read that already: Thanks for insights, your view, propably some alternatives, ideas and a nice discussion at all! :) Wishing you a nice time, until we read again perhaps!
                                                                                 1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 24-Feb-2018 09:54:22 EST Danyl Strype

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                                                                                    @throgh at this point, we have three options a) end our discussion b) write longer posts elsewhere and link them here or c) flame war! ;P
                                                                                    1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 24-Feb-2018 09:56:25 EST Danyl Strype

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                                                                                       @throgh obviously I prefer options a) or b) :-) If I get around to writing a blog post on federated micro-blogging #UX I'll link you in
                                                                                       1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 24-Feb-2018 09:56:57 EST Danyl Strype

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                                                                                          @throgh thanks for a rigorous discussion and look forward to chatting with you again sometime
                                                                                          1. Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Saturday, 24-Feb-2018 15:32:07 EST Tobias Dausend

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                                                                                             @strypey No need for a flame war, because I'd love to hear and read different opinions and looking forward to combine them in a complete new paradigm. :)
                                                                                             1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Saturday, 24-Feb-2018 22:47:21 EST Danyl Strype

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                                                                                                @throgh to quote McGuru Ken Wilbur, "transcend, and include'!
                  2. PennyForTheGuy (therealpennyfortheguy@quitter.no)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Feb-2018 14:27:43 EST PennyForTheGuy

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                     @strypey @apertus @throgh   Having a 1000 chars here to play with does come in handy. Especially when 140 or 500 chars just doesn't cut it, when one really needs to use ALL of it.
                     1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Feb-2018 23:31:27 EST Danyl Strype

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                        @therealpennyfortheguy fair point, but we do have plenty of blogging platforms whose #UX is designed for sharing long form prose.