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1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2018 15:08:56 EST bailey//rockruff⚪

   to clarify, i'm not talking about anyone on here, and i really actually prefer linux to windows, hence why i'm trying to look up info for whether or not i can make my computer run as i need it to within linux.

   1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2018 15:10:54 EST bailey//rockruff⚪

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      i spent a year or so using linux mint exclusively a while back, and spent many more years prior playing around with different distros and usually having at least one installed on one of my daily use devices.

      1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2018 15:14:18 EST bailey//rockruff⚪

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         i fucking love linux, but the community at large is extremely hostile to beginners as well as anyone who dares ask for help with anything.

         there's this feeling that comes with linux where if you ask for help, you're not worthy of using linux. but at the same time, linux users insist everyone should be using linux, and often force others around them to switch, or at the very least are snobby about it.

         you can't have it both ways

         1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2018 15:15:23 EST bailey//rockruff⚪

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            if you really want folks to use linux, you need to make it as accessible and easy to use as possible. you need to make it diverse so that everyone can get the functionality they need out of it.

            you need to let people stick to their personal preferences, rather than insisting everyone use the same software the same way.

            1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2018 15:16:46 EST bailey//rockruff⚪

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               software will never be successful if it forces users to get accustomed to it, rather than meeting users where they're comfortable and easing them in

               1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2018 15:19:05 EST bailey//rockruff⚪

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                  i have a decent amount of experience with operating systems and an acute ability to use the cli, but if someone threw arch at me as my first distro, i would never have touched linux again. i still can't use arch; it inevitably breaks after i install a couple programs/drivers pretty much immediately after installing it, and i have no desire to learn how to fix it if it's going to break that easily in the first place.

                  1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2018 15:21:47 EST bailey//rockruff⚪

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                     but this mentality shouldn't just stop at the distro level. all software on linux, every single driver and game and literally anything else that someone might use, needs to be as user-friendly as possible.

                     you don't have to get rid of the more involved options. just don't force them on others, and make sure easier options are available for those who don't want to go through the headache of learning everything in its most advanced form

                     1. josef (jk@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2018 15:26:13 EST josef

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                        @ctrlaltdog i think the self-selected demographic of 'linux fans' or long-time hobby users that, for better or worse, represents it, have the issue of being people who, whilst they DO use linux to get stuff done, their primary reason for using linux is... so they can use linux. What feels to me like an arbitrary slog through endless obscure problem solving probably feels to them like the joy of mastering a difficult musical instrument or a complex board game. as such they're resistant to change!

                        1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2018 15:31:06 EST bailey//rockruff⚪

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                           @jk challenges can be fun, and it's half the reason i got into linux as a tween, but these folks really need to understand that linux exists simply to be an alternative to capitalist-owned, closed-source operating systems like macos and windows. it doesn't exist specifically to be a fun challenge to show your computer prestige.

                           average users should be just as welcome on linux as experienced programmers. some people like to use an OS as an OS. i know, it's strange.