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1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2018 03:19:10 EST clacke
   I didn't realize it was that terrible. Now I'm starting to understand the scope of the student debt crisis Americans are talking about.
   
   > 48,000 dollars are needed for non-members to graduate from BYU Hawaii ($24,000 for a member), $114,000 are needed to graduate from the cost-conscious religious schools, and $212,000 dollars are necessary to attend four years at the non-religious liberal arts school.
   
   So, BYU is at a similar level as a UK university. IIRC they're at 4000-8000 EUR/semester. You can argue whether students or the state should pay for it, but as the article calculates, that's a pretty reasonable ballpark cost for the education itself, even if you could probably get it for the same price if you and your four friends hire the professors as private tutors instead.
   
   But these other places. Where are they spending all that money? On advertising so that employers and students will think their courses are worth all that money?
   
   It is, indeed, insane.
   
   https://scholars-stage.blogspot.hk/2018/01/modern-universities-are-exercise-in.html
   
   /via https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/952794097433042946
   1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2018 09:04:06 EST lnxw48a1

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      @clacke One more thing. BYU's cost is subsidized, at least for members of their sponsoring church. #Missouri University's ("Mizzou") cost is subsidized, at least for Missouri residents. If you wish to see how much higher education really costs, take a look at a private non-religious campus, such as the University of Southern California.
      
      Costs exploded, in part, because "go to college or you won't get a good job" + student financial aid programs = mad attendance growth = captive market of students.
   2. Oneesan succubus (lain@pleroma.soykaf.com)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2018 11:20:49 EST Oneesan succubus

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      @clacke why don't they just come to germany and study for free?
      1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2018 19:26:34 EST clacke

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         @lain You can still do that? Sweden doesn't do that anymore. I thought it was only Norway and one more country, maybe Italy or Austria, that still allowed non-EU foreigners free studies.