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1. ∑ XahLee (xahlee@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2017 01:50:46 EDT ∑ XahLee

   Mouse Hover to Auto-Raise Window is extremely useful. save you tons of clicks. On Mac, turn on “dwell controll” see http://xahlee.info/linux/mouse_hover_auto-raise_window.html

   1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2017 04:30:26 EDT clacke

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      @xahlee That's not for me. I can't even handle dwell focus ("Sun-style focus").
      1. ∑ XahLee (xahlee@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2017 04:33:52 EDT ∑ XahLee

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         @clacke what you mean?
         what's the problem?
         and i don't understand you mean a tech problem, of Mac? or Sun Microsystems??

         1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2017 05:41:45 EDT clacke

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            @xahlee dwell focus, focus-follows-mouse (FFM), was called "Sun Mouse" in the 90s, because that was the default behavior on X/CDE on Sun Solaris.
            
            And I can't handle it. I have difficulty enough just knowing where my mouse pointer is, as I use the keyboard more. Sometimes I shove the pointer out of the way to it doesn't disturb me when I'm typing. The times I have tried FFM it led to me typing into all kinds of unexpected windows.
            
            Now, if the mouse pointer would not only move focus, but even rearrange my windows (along the Z axis), I'm sure my confusion would be even deeper. The only mouse gesture I can handle is hot corners.
            
            Steve Yegge, who even likes FFM, has written what he thinks about raising windows under the pointer:
            
            https://steve-yegge.blogspot.hk/2008/04/settling-osx-focus-follows-mouse-debate.html
            1. ∑ XahLee (xahlee@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2017 05:55:12 EDT ∑ XahLee

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               @clacke ah, i see. you are a very old timer. (before me.)

               it does take some change of habit. I tried it, dissed it, but went back, and stuck. I leaned not to move mouse carelessly.

               1. ∑ XahLee (xahlee@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2017 05:55:30 EDT ∑ XahLee

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                  @clacke yes i've read that Yegge's article.

                  there are 3 things:

                  • focus window (pretty much a X window thing only)
                  • activate/raise window.
                  • auto-click, aka hover-click (Mac calls dwell)
                  (when pointer moves and stopped, it does a click automatically.)

                  to me, the focus-only is utterly useless (yegge praises it). But the raise window, either by auto-raise or auto-click, is extremely significant for me. Saves me hand pain of literally hundreds of clicking.

                  1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2017 05:58:18 EDT clacke

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                     @xahlee
                     
                     I can understand why someone would want focus-only, but I just couldn't get used to not moving the mouse carelessly.
                     
                     Not just changing focus, but even performing actions, that would just freak me out. :-)
                     
                     Glad it saves you effort. It just wouldn't work for me.