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1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2018 21:57:41 EST clacke
   @unascribed @tw What's good about it? Do they have good reasons to not be XMPP or Matrix?
   1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2018 22:13:24 EST lnxw48a1

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      @clacke For one-to-one chat / IM, #Wire > #Matrix. Most of the fiddly and confusing parts of the Riot interface are simple and understandable by normies in Wire. I don't have much data, but the IRL contacts I'm reaching now were unreachable for some time previously.
      
      (I still prefer #XMPP, but I'm able to communicate with people on Wire that I couldn't reach after Google moved them to hangouts instead of federated XMPP.)
      1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2018 22:44:51 EST lnxw48a1

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         @clacke As a frequent user of #Matrix, everything feels cobbled together. For every feature, there are multiple gotchas where it doesn't work the way people expected. (I should point out that I only use Matrix through #Riot [web, Android, iOS], so some of the half-assed DIY feel may just be the client.)
         
         Wire seems to do less, but it feels like it does the things it does better.
         1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2018 22:47:28 EST clacke

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            @lnxw48a1 AFAIK Riot is the least half-assed DIY Matrix client.
            1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2018 22:48:52 EST clacke

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               @lnxw48a1 But if your beef with Matrix is mostly UI, could Wire have been a more human-friendly Matrix client than Riot?
               1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2018 22:56:58 EST lnxw48a1

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                  @clacke It is conceivable, I guess. But when did each project start, and what were they trying to build before they evolved their current products and services?
                  
                  (I did briefly use the now-abandoned Tensor client for Matrix, which was worse.)
                  1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2018 23:02:44 EST lnxw48a1

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                     BTW I don't have a beef with Matrix. It just isn't the magical mystery tour of Beatles fame, as so many would have us believe. If we approach it sanely, it mostly serves its purpose. Where it doesn't serve its purpose well (such as one-to-one), we should use other things.