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1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2018 05:18:48 EST clacke
   Wow, #hpr on the aftermath of #obamacare and repeal-and-replace is very informative, and ahuka is a brilliant host as usual.
   
   http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=2470
   
   I had no idea the individual mandate was repealed. I need to get more of my news from people like ahuka.
   
   Tha analysis of the forces involved in lawmaking is clear as always, and the conclusion that they will in the end drive toward a government-funded solution, but probably one unlike any of the others out there, is credible.
   1. Nobody [Linux Walt Alt (@lnxw37a2)] (lnxw37a2@pleroma.soykaf.com)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2018 06:33:16 EST Nobody [Linux Walt Alt (@lnxw37a2)]

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      @clacke If true (I've heard nothing to the effect that the individual mandate was repealed), that could be good news. The mandate was my major disagreemeint with ACA, because it punishes those with "bad" employers under some mistaken belief that they willingly choose to go without coverage, forcing them to (in many cases) pay for plans they cannot use in order to avoid tax punishment.
      1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2018 07:10:02 EST clacke

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         @lnxw37a2 On the other hand, the choice of going without insurance masks the fact how low that salary really is, by hiding the expenses it has to be compared to.
         
         Changing the forces on the market changes the salary level. Just like imagining a restaurant market without tipping, all things never remain equal.
         1. Nobody [Linux Walt Alt (@lnxw37a2)] (lnxw37a2@pleroma.soykaf.com)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2018 07:15:38 EST Nobody [Linux Walt Alt (@lnxw37a2)]

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            @clacke The "choice" of going without insurance was people choosing to pay their rents and feed their families. No one willingly chose to go without healthcare.
            
            But, yes, pay has been (and continue to be) too low on the bottom end of most organizations' pay schedules, and cheaping out on benefits is part of that.
            1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2018 07:25:21 EST clacke

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               @lnxw37a2 Not saying people were happy to make the choice. If you don't like "choice", how about "option", "parameter" or "factor"?
               
               It being there means radically lower upward pressure on bottom salaries.
      2. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2018 07:21:25 EST lnxw48a1

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         The whole "bronze plan" thing: we'll cut your rates a little if you accept a plan that makes it too expensive for you to ever use medical treatment.