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1. emsenn (emsenn@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 24-Mar-2018 10:52:32 EDT emsenn

   If you're recommending we revert to the Internet as it was before Facebook (where people had to manage websites to have a presence), that's like suggesting we fix democracy by removing woman's suffrage. Technically illiterate people are people. Fixing a system by excluding a huge chunk of people from using it isn't fixing it, and I'm truly stunned to see an otherwise inclusive community so blindly advocate for it.

   1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 05-Apr-2018 06:23:38 EDT clacke

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      @emsenn Non-geek people got online before facebook, and in the meantime, everything that has had to compete with facebook got more usable. If fb and twitter were to vanish tomorrow, we would not be back in 2003 and definitely not back in 1993.
      
      I certainly would mind ISPs or local community hosts providing SMTP again, and preferably also XMPP, maybe even Fediverse services, if that would help people get better access to their friends.
   2. laecia (https://niu.moe/users/laecia)'s status on Saturday, 24-Mar-2018 11:02:06 EDT laecia

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      @emsenn facebook isn't empowering the masses. a reasonable amount of technology-litteracy is a requirement to benefit from the Internet, but we shouln't forget the same kind of litteracy is required to make use of and defend the democracy as we know it "IRL". Sadly few people are litterate in either, and much less in both.

   3. mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@loadaverage.org)'s status on Thursday, 05-Apr-2018 13:20:35 EDT mangeurdenuage

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      >Technically illiterate people are people.
      Indeed that's why they can read to not be technically illiterate.
   4. 0x40 (0x40@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 05-Apr-2018 06:31:01 EDT 0x40

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      @emsenn I definately see your point, though I feel like it's built on the assumption that the alternative to Facebook is that every user manages his/her own webserver.

      "Before Facebook" also refers to a time where people would connect on multible platforms rather than just one giant.

      It's the monopolization on Internet traffic that I am against. This can be mitigated in different ways, some of which don't require a degree to fulfil.

   5. Allison Parrish (aparrish@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 24-Mar-2018 11:47:50 EDT Allison Parrish

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      @emsenn facebook is a system for taking advantage of the technically illiterate, not empowering them. using facebook is also *tremendously* technically sophisticated—understanding it and gaining mastery over it is not easy (there are whole books and classes for learning how to use it)—and I would argue that "accessibility" per se is not among facebook's goals for their product.