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  1. Hiker (hikerus@social.bitcast.info)'s status on Thursday, 03-May-2018 13:33:22 EDT Hiker Hiker
    Immer wieder die Diskussionen über Whatsapp und wie es doch durch einen alternativen Messenger ersetzt werden müsste - aber irgend so ein App muss offenbar unbedingt sein.

    Ich frage mich manchmal, was es denn da ständig mitgeteilt gibt, dass jeder online so ein App laufen haben muss.

    Wie man das wohl früher gemacht hat?
    In conversation Thursday, 03-May-2018 13:33:22 EDT from social.bitcast.info permalink
    1. Jan Koekepan (jankoekepan@freehold.earth)'s status on Thursday, 03-May-2018 13:54:58 EDT Jan Koekepan Jan Koekepan
      in reply to

      @hikerus Dann hat man ja geschweigt.

      Oder verschwunden.

      In conversation Thursday, 03-May-2018 13:54:58 EDT from freehold.earth permalink
      1. Hiker (hikerus@social.bitcast.info)'s status on Thursday, 03-May-2018 13:59:06 EDT Hiker Hiker
        in reply to
        @jankoekepan Was genau?
        In conversation Thursday, 03-May-2018 13:59:06 EDT from social.bitcast.info permalink
        1. Jan Koekepan (jankoekepan@freehold.earth)'s status on Thursday, 03-May-2018 14:05:59 EDT Jan Koekepan Jan Koekepan
          in reply to

          @hikerus Entschuldigung, mein Deutsch ist schrecklich.

          Was ich sagen wollte, ist das ohne ein App, mit Sicherheit als Ziel, bleibt eine Menge was man nicht ohne Verfolgung sagen koennte. So ein App ist dann heutzutage notwendig fuer Freiheit.

          In conversation Thursday, 03-May-2018 14:05:59 EDT from freehold.earth permalink
          1. Hiker (hikerus@social.bitcast.info)'s status on Thursday, 03-May-2018 14:07:36 EDT Hiker Hiker
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            @jankoekepan Schreib doch in deiner Muttersprache... Ich habe es nicht verstanden, sorry. Und nein, für Freiheit braucht es definitiv kein App !
            In conversation Thursday, 03-May-2018 14:07:36 EDT from social.bitcast.info permalink
            1. Jan Koekepan (jankoekepan@freehold.earth)'s status on Thursday, 03-May-2018 14:09:27 EDT Jan Koekepan Jan Koekepan
              in reply to

              @hikerus Danke.

              Aber Du verstehst wahrscheinlich sie nicht, darum versuche es auf Englisch:

              Without adequate information security, those who dare to say things deemed undesirable by the powers that be, are apt to disappear. An App is not, as such, a prerequisite for security, but if that provides security, it would be an adequate solution.

              In conversation Thursday, 03-May-2018 14:09:27 EDT from freehold.earth permalink
            2. Jan Koekepan (jankoekepan@freehold.earth)'s status on Thursday, 03-May-2018 14:10:03 EDT Jan Koekepan Jan Koekepan
              in reply to

              @hikerus

              Thus: without such a solution, people either held their peace, or (in my experience) vanish, at the hands of the secret police.

              In conversation Thursday, 03-May-2018 14:10:03 EDT from freehold.earth permalink
              1. Hiker (hikerus@social.bitcast.info)'s status on Thursday, 03-May-2018 14:17:33 EDT Hiker Hiker
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                @jankoekepan Oh: 99.99% of users of these apps don't exchange such dangeours information. And what app is really so secure that this doesn't happen? Whatapp really not.
                In conversation Thursday, 03-May-2018 14:17:33 EDT from social.bitcast.info permalink
                1. Jan Koekepan (jankoekepan@freehold.earth)'s status on Thursday, 03-May-2018 14:18:38 EDT Jan Koekepan Jan Koekepan
                  in reply to

                  @hikerus Agreed. Whatapp is not.

                  The problem is that if only the presumably guilty use such apps, they become a way of picking out the guilty. For the apps to be effective, they need to be in common use.

                  In conversation Thursday, 03-May-2018 14:18:38 EDT from freehold.earth permalink
                  1. Hiker (hikerus@social.bitcast.info)'s status on Thursday, 03-May-2018 14:21:06 EDT Hiker Hiker
                    in reply to
                    @jankoekepan I don't understand what you mean.
                    In conversation Thursday, 03-May-2018 14:21:06 EDT from social.bitcast.info permalink
                    1. Jan Koekepan (jankoekepan@freehold.earth)'s status on Thursday, 03-May-2018 14:23:25 EDT Jan Koekepan Jan Koekepan
                      in reply to

                      @hikerus

                      Uwe and Klaus live in Bunnyland. They want to say things to each other that the Big Bunny thinks are anti-bunny. If they say them openly, they vanish. If they are the only people to use secure comms, they can be easily targeted anyway. If every bunny uses secure comms, that fact can't be used to target Uwe and Klaus.

                      In conversation Thursday, 03-May-2018 14:23:25 EDT from freehold.earth permalink
                      1. Hiker (hikerus@social.bitcast.info)'s status on Thursday, 03-May-2018 14:25:09 EDT Hiker Hiker
                        in reply to
                        @jankoekepan But 99% of users don't use secure apps.
                        In conversation Thursday, 03-May-2018 14:25:09 EDT from social.bitcast.info permalink
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