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1. PlatinumKatie (katiekats@community.highlandarrow.com)'s status on Monday, 21-May-2018 17:41:25 EDT PlatinumKatie
   I don't really see what's particulary interesting about Gotham the TV show.
   
   Batman picks off 'basic' level criminals pretty easily cos he's Batman. So...logical thought when first hearing of that show, "Okay so this showcases the GCPD dealing with the crime families that thrived when Batman wasn't about."
   
   But...Gotham is -packed full- of different takes of Batman villains. 
   
   Two...pretty big issues with this.
   
   1. A lot of what makes Batman interesting is the whole "his presence sustains and creates his own rogues gallery" which is something many stories have explored and still do (Most recently this month) so this whole thing...defeats the point.
   
   2. None of their full potential can be explored, cos if they're -too- threatening beyond "a basic police force can't stop them" then they don't work, Batman ain't around after all.
   
   The show...has a fanbase tho. I wonder what they see in it.
   1. Annah (maiyannah@community.highlandarrow.com)'s status on Monday, 21-May-2018 18:34:09 EDT Annah

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      @katiekats The whole appeal of Batman's main line villains is that they each represent the bad side of one of his own attributes.  Scarecrow is the flip side of his using fear to intimidate criminals.  Joker is the flip side of him using psychological tactics.  The Riddler is the flip side of his investigative nature.  The Penguin is the flip side of him being a rich business mogul.  And so on.
      1. Annah (maiyannah@community.highlandarrow.com)'s status on Monday, 21-May-2018 18:35:21 EDT Annah

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         @katiekats This is why I actually didn't mind them re-casting Bane a bit, incidentally, because it made him from just kind of a random minor villain into someone that fit into that gamut. Bane became the flip side of his physical superiority, and tactical mind, it was someone using that same thing for something villanous.
      2. PlatinumKatie (katiekats@community.highlandarrow.com)'s status on Monday, 21-May-2018 18:36:10 EDT PlatinumKatie

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         @maiyannah 
         Exactly my point yeah, hence my "what's really the point without Batman?" thingy
         1. Annah (maiyannah@community.highlandarrow.com)'s status on Monday, 21-May-2018 18:38:19 EDT Annah

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            @katiekats There's plenty of more minor villains that are cunning but not so threatening in and of themselves that the police couldn't take them on, even a couple of major villains (the Riddler springs to mind, he's very intelligent but not like even very strong or whatever, it'd be a pretty even fight even with a normal cop probably, in terms of physical attrbutes)
            
            What I've heard of the show .. doesn't really indicate that is what they're doing though.  It's more the cameo gallery, and that's kinda just, sad fanservice.
            1. PlatinumKatie (katiekats@community.highlandarrow.com)'s status on Monday, 21-May-2018 18:42:09 EDT PlatinumKatie

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               @maiyannah 
               That's the thing yeah. The more regular criminal mobster types (Falcone, Black Mask) you can have the wider police force take on. Then the ones who are smart but not the best physically, like Riddler as you mention, you can always say Gordon or Renee manages to outsmart just by being a good detective.
               
               But...as also noted...yeah it's just "Villain of the week!" and all the big names thrown in.