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1. PlatinumKatie (katiekats@community.highlandarrow.com)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Jun-2018 13:47:26 EDT PlatinumKatie
   Okay so...I'm not gonna totally abandon this account, I don't think. Well, at least it's not in my plans at the mo. 
   
   But, this place...not inherently Highland Arrow specifically, just pieces of the fediverse in general are...how do I put this. 
   
   I came over here cos my Liz set it up, so appeared to support her stuff. She makes the good things she does.
   
   It was nice. It was a place for friends to discuss, and cos of the way other 'nodes' (is that even the right terminology) worked, things expanded so that I liked hearing the opinions of others on other places that connected to us.
   
   But over time...after all the drama...and with the sheer culture clash of newer instances and pieces of software and all that.
   
   Feels like the fediverse as a whole has went from "chill here cos you won't be judged even when we have different principles and viewpoints" to "Instance VS Instance! Each instance has their own principles, fuck yours!"
   
   That...as noted, feels like it occured cos of the rise of certain newer instances/set-ups, the bad actors involved, and the reaction to said. 
   
   It might just be me, I fully admit that, my mental health has been declining rapidly.
   
   But precisely because it has been...I really miss the place I felt I could go to, to just share opinions and chat.
   
   Now it sort of feels like, while it's not precisely -twitter drama- I just have to avoid this new amalgamation of drama. 
   
   Would just wholesale blocking bad actors and instances fix the issue I'm on about? Arguably would. But on a certain level that defeats the core 'point' of the fediverse.
   1. Annah (maiyannah@community.highlandarrow.com)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Jun-2018 18:45:40 EDT Annah

      in reply to
      @katiekats I've been seriously considering a whitelist approach (ie, I choose which instances federate and unless they're on that list, they won't) ever since pleroma picked up its uptick of users.  Not so much because of pleroma specifically, but because the community has developed a habit of "sockpuppet instances" where they'll just make a new instance if the current one gets banned, and I've been pretty unhappy about the state of the network timeline right now.  I'm stuck either heavily moderating it (taking time from yknow, all the other stuff I should be doing like reviews and programming postActiv) or I basically expose not only myself but my friends and readers (and those who are both!) to a lot of frankly nasty stuff.
      
      Back when the Fediverse was something new and Mastodon hadn't decidedly been very cultural-imperialism in imposing its values on /everything/ it was easy to be idealistic about the federation, but now that the locusts have descended, it's probably time to get some pesticide.
      1. Annah (maiyannah@community.highlandarrow.com)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Jun-2018 18:47:49 EDT Annah

         in reply to
         @katiekats When I was healthy back this time last year (well, healthy relatively speaking...) it wouldn't be a bother, but now I have a very limited amount of time and spending it all moderating all the shitstains on the network timeline isn't what I want to be doing if I can avoid it.
         1. PlatinumKatie (katiekats@community.highlandarrow.com)'s status on Friday, 15-Jun-2018 15:20:53 EDT PlatinumKatie

            in reply to
            @maiyannah 
            Yeah, I can imagine it'd be difficult. Consistent moderation ain't easy cos no one has an all seeing eye.  
            
            But then just banning off certain places might cause drama.
            
            Then one has to justify every time you or I does it.
            
            Whenever I personally have blocked people, it's been one, and it's never been a whole instance, and I've only done so when they've -very- clearly been shitty.
            
            So yeah, I get ya. It's a difficulty. Whatever occurs one would get complaints, so just gotta pick one view and stick by it. That's...easier typed than done, tho.
      2. PlatinumKatie (katiekats@community.highlandarrow.com)'s status on Friday, 15-Jun-2018 15:24:08 EDT PlatinumKatie

         in reply to
         @maiyannah 
         Using Plateia (as I think you mentioned in other post) seems like a way to deal with this with that whitelist thought.
         
         HA has a whitelist. Plateia is more open. 
         
         If an instance seems totally good and fine with Plateia for a time, it gets put on the HA whitelist.
         
         That way 'sockpuppet' instances as mentioned, probably wouldn't get through. Because they don't tend to be around for long, or prove they're 'good' for that matter.
         
         ...Would have to think tho, it is a complex situation.
   2. mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@loadaverage.org)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Jun-2018 19:42:42 EDT mangeurdenuage

      in reply to
      @katiekats
      --Would just wholesale blocking bad actors and instances fix the issue I'm on about?--
      I think if would just worsen the whole situation if the server is still proclaimed as public and still connected to other instances.
      I don't think there's a possibility to undo what happened nor mitigate it.
      
      -- I've been seriously considering a whitelist approach --
      I've thought about it and in that case the public nature of the servers becomes a private club.
      
      --has developed a habit of "sockpuppet instances" where they'll just make a new instance if the current one gets banned--
      Isn't that possible with any software ?