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1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 14-Jun-2018 14:25:52 EDT bailey//rockruff⚪

   if you can't see that money is a game of power and manipulation rather than a system of balance and order then you gotta take a closer look at how our society operates, and how transactions work/who they favour

   1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 14-Jun-2018 14:29:41 EDT bailey//rockruff⚪

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      think about money as a means to get people to do things they really don't want to do so they can afford the things they need to survive and maybe thrive.

      think of money as a system we all use to manipulate and demean each other unnecessarily, for things we don't really need, and things we do need need that could be easily gotten with better methods

      1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 14-Jun-2018 14:46:37 EDT bailey//rockruff⚪

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         you don't need money as an incentive. plenty of people have hobbies that overlap with work, and they're more than happy to offer free labour to their neighbours and peers in exchange for the thrill of doing the work, and the good vibes they'll get from helping someone out (and heck, they may even do something nice in return!)

         1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 14-Jun-2018 14:50:09 EDT bailey//rockruff⚪

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            think of all the people that offer free tech support online, or like to tinker with/fix computers and wouldn't mind the occasional challenge of repairing a friend's pc for free

            think of all the people that want to take up gardening, to have food to eat or something relaxing and pretty to spend time around, or simply just for something to do

            think of how many people actually like doing home renovations themselves (money willing) and offer to help others with theirs

            1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 14-Jun-2018 14:57:13 EDT bailey//rockruff⚪

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               there's a sense of pride that comes with accomplishing something yourself, for the betterment of yourself or others, or simply because you wanted to.

               when you enjoy what you're doing, that's a powerful feeling that can drive you to continue doing that thing without other incentives.

               hell, even the things you DON'T enjoy are way easier when you're not having your meals and shelter held hostage to complete the task, and when you're not expected to do it immediately/all at once.

               1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 14-Jun-2018 15:06:34 EDT bailey//rockruff⚪

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                  money also removes a large chunk of positive social interaction. we don't thank people as much or say nice things about their work when we already feel entitled to it because we pay them money

                  don't have to be nice to anyone if they're already hooked into doing what you want them to so they can afford to live

                  so now we're all miserable grumpy assholes that complain about minimum wage workers messing up our orders at mcdonalds, when they're likely tired and stressed af

                  1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 14-Jun-2018 15:11:13 EDT bailey//rockruff⚪

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                     money puts a barrier between us and the people doing the work, and makes us feel entitled to things because we "paid for them". it pretty quickly instills in us a power system where money is the way we command and control the world.

                     we connect spending money and manipulating others with it as some sort of good, positive thing. our brains have been programmed by society to believe that having money will make the metaphorical treat dispenser open up and reward us

                     1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 14-Jun-2018 15:12:57 EDT bailey//rockruff⚪

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                        as previously mentioned, it's actually really easy and already entirely possible to replace the connection of "money = treats" to "fulfilling work is its own treat" because honestly...we already like doing work. just not the work we're forced to do, and certainly not for entitled shitty customers nor with our income being held over our heads as incentive.

                        1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 14-Jun-2018 15:18:18 EDT bailey//rockruff⚪

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                           we also have the concern of social anxiety making a socialisation-based society hell. well let me be honest here, a lot of people would simply be nicer and less on edge if they didn't have to deal with our horrible system and the pressures that come with it.

                           social anxiety/depression/other mental health problems, are largely affected by environmental factors and the people we spend time around.

                           if angry customers or stressed family are our main interaction sources...yikes!

                           1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 14-Jun-2018 15:21:49 EDT bailey//rockruff⚪

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                              in a society where we do things for ourselves and each other without all these inherent hostilities and stressors of hierarchical and monetary systems, social anxiety would be far less and way easier to deal with thanks to outside factors being way more manageable.

                              we'd be less depressed because we'd have less bad things constantly pressuring us to feel like garbage, and more good things to distract from the pain and help us heal.

                              1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 14-Jun-2018 15:28:18 EDT bailey//rockruff⚪

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                                 for instance, i can't work. work forces me into a dissociative state where i'm pretty much just a husk. thanks to past abuse, a brain that doesn't quite function "normally", and constantly being fatigued and depressed and extremely anxious, i just can;t do most typical min wage jobs, and i don't have the ability to continue schooling to get a better job due to concentration issues.

                                 meanwhile, even despite low energy and body pain, i can often clean and cook at home

                                 1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 14-Jun-2018 15:30:48 EDT bailey//rockruff⚪

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                                    i can do chores and such around the house because it's a lot easier to operate in a setting where there's little/no manipulation, and where the only incentive is to take care of myself or others

                                    often that kind of thing is still difficult for me. self care can be difficult. but it's a lot easier than working at a fast food joint, where my mh is impacted so strongly that i become unable to enjoy anything in between work, even when i have a whole week between shifts

                                    1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 14-Jun-2018 15:35:46 EDT bailey//rockruff⚪

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                                       i can muster up the extra energy i don't really have to be able to do things that will give me more energy. that's about it.

                                       so yeah. basically, if work were more fulfilling and personally driven, society would have way fewer problems and would overall be more productive and friendly and just...easier to exist in and enjoy.

                                       1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 14-Jun-2018 15:42:33 EDT bailey//rockruff⚪

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                                          and that's not to say labour/productivity is at all what anyone needs to be allowed to live and enjoy life. "success" is a fake idea where we feel like we need to accomplish some sort of bare minimum to deserve survival, among other things. we are not the sum of our work; we are the sum of our existence. simply living is enough to deserve to live.

                                          labeling lives with specific values and even monetary figures is fucking absurd

                                          we all deserve to live and enjoy life

                                          1. bailey//rockruff⚪ (ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 14-Jun-2018 15:52:47 EDT bailey//rockruff⚪

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                                             this becomes a little more complicated when weighing the lives of people against other people, in which case anyone causing a significant enough threat to others can often be worth ending (genocide, systemic oppression, etc), but...that's some philosophical debate shit that i am not getting into right now