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1. cara ‘presumed dead’ ellison (caraellison@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 16-Jun-2018 19:44:23 EDT cara ‘presumed dead’ ellison

   noir is a conservative genre that thinks that corruption can not be changed, only the heroes values can be conserved. But cyberpunk is a noir that believes that the corruption can be outwitted and undercut: by saving the self and the people you love, you are forcing the algorithms of your oppression to recognise your humanity. This is very unrealistic, but it is a hopeful genre of outsiders supplying change

   1. Nate Cull (natecull@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Jun-2018 17:41:16 EDT Nate Cull

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      @caraellison hmm, I really don't think this describes much cyberpunk at all.

      Gibson Sprawl Trilogy, for instance, is very much noir and very much not about outwitting corruption.

      The corruption is taken as fundamental and non-negotiable.