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1. Eugen (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2017 19:06:20 EDT Eugen

   @mcscx @BryanLunduke @sillystring Antifa is worth supporting - good on them, and good on Mozilla. I applaud their decision.

   1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2017 23:43:50 EDT clacke

      in reply to
      @gargron @mcscx @bryanlunduke @sillystring
      @mangeurdenuage @dirb @moonman @1iceloops123
      
      TL;DR:
      
      antifa is an organisation that perpetrates political violence and performs acts of terrorism.
      
      riseup.net is a bunch of people with an anti-capitalist agenda who want to get people off Facebook. They're like @hannes2peer and @mmn , just bigger and more organized.
      
      If you want to support a network service provider who supports antifa, support mayfirst.org instead.
      
      Two things:
      
      1) There is excellent left-wing criticism of antifa and their methods. I suggest you read it:
      
      https://social.heldscal.la/url/836983
      
      https://riseuptimes.org/2017/08/31/chris-hedges-how-antifa-mirrors-the-alt-right/
      
      https://social.heldscal.la/url/743893
      
      Political violence, attacking civilian targets to promote a political agenda and suppress the politics of others, is by definition terrorism.
      
      2) riseup.net is *not* antifa. (also riseuptimes.org linked above is, to my knowledge, not riseup.net)
      
      The direct connection between antifa and riseup.net is a meme mainly coming from one article by two kekistani alt-right guys, who present some flimsy evidence for it.
      
      Even that Counterpunch article by Anthony DiMaggio got it wrong initially, so your confusion and the confusion of that steemit post is understandable.
      
      riseup.net is an anarchist (Bakunin sense) and therefore anti-capitalist collective that provides anonymous and/or decentralized services to left-wing activists as an alternative to corporate network services. It is a fact that many antifa people use their services, and it's possible that riseup.net agrees with that use, or otherwise that it would be riseup.net's best interest to take a stance against such groups to clarify things, but I see no statements on the riseup.net site to indicate that they endorse political violence.
      
      I'm sure there are antifa people on quitter.se and social.umeahackerspace.se too, that doesn't mean those servers and their admins support political violence.
      
      Now, if you want to bring up a similar example of a network service provider that actually officially supports antifa tactics and therefore political violence, that would be mayfirst.org who express explicit support for Autonome Antifa Freiburg, autonome-antifa.org , who advocate e.g. violence against the police.