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  1. kaniini (kaniini@mastodon.dereferenced.org)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Oct-2017 14:18:35 EDT kaniini kaniini

    guys what if we just added micropayments straight into mastodon so the people asking for money can get paid without having to even leave the website

    In conversation Tuesday, 10-Oct-2017 14:18:35 EDT from mastodon.dereferenced.org permalink
    1. INACTIVE (deadsuperhero@social.nasqueron.org)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Oct-2017 14:20:17 EDT INACTIVE INACTIVE
      in reply to

      @kaniini Heck, every toot could have a built-in tip jar.

      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Oct-2017 14:20:17 EDT from social.nasqueron.org permalink
      1. Oneesan succubus (lain@pleroma.soykaf.com)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Oct-2017 14:22:17 EDT Oneesan succubus Oneesan succubus
        in reply to
        @deadsuperhero @kaniini yeah, that's what this communication platform needs, built in credit card handling.
        In conversation Tuesday, 10-Oct-2017 14:22:17 EDT from pleroma.soykaf.com permalink
      2. Bob Mottram (bob@social.freedombone.net)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Oct-2017 14:24:08 EDT Bob Mottram Bob Mottram
        in reply to
        @deadsuperhero @kaniini it could, but once you become a money processor I think that carries a different legal status, and it becomes easier for adversaries to demonize the system or characterize it as being criminal.
        In conversation Tuesday, 10-Oct-2017 14:24:08 EDT from social.freedombone.net permalink
        1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 01:46:08 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
          in reply to
          @bob @deadsuperhero @kaniini money, like violent force, is something states like to a monopoly over within their claimed territory
          In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 01:46:08 EDT from quitter.se permalink
          1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 01:48:02 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
            in reply to
            @bob @deadsuperhero @kaniini trying to subvert a state's control over its money supply is an existential threat to their power
            In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 01:48:02 EDT from quitter.se permalink
            1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 01:48:44 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
              in reply to
              @bob @deadsuperhero @kaniini they will fight like a cornered rat to prevent such subversion, as #TheSilkRoad and others found out
              In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 01:48:44 EDT from quitter.se permalink
              1. kaniini (kaniini@mastodon.dereferenced.org)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 12:07:59 EDT kaniini kaniini
                in reply to

                @strypey @deadsuperhero @bob

                well, silk road was literally being used for selling heroin to people. obviously silk road was a target for shutdown, since heroin is highly illegal.

                In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 12:07:59 EDT from mastodon.dereferenced.org permalink
                1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 18:37:40 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
                  in reply to
                  @kaniini @bob @deadsuperhero sure, that was the most important reason for throwing such massive resources at #TheSilkRoad (I doubt it)
                  In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 18:37:40 EDT from quitter.se permalink
                  1. kaniini (kaniini@mastodon.dereferenced.org)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 18:58:30 EDT kaniini kaniini
                    in reply to

                    @strypey @deadsuperhero @bob

                    yeah i am sure the credit card dumps, fake passports and assassination services had nothing to do with it too.

                    <sarcasm>clearly, silk road was *definitely* a high quality, ethical marketplace that was attacked for absolutely no reason.</sarcasm>

                    In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 18:58:30 EDT from mastodon.dereferenced.org permalink
                    1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 19:04:15 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
                      in reply to
                      @kaniini @bob @deadsuperhero I'm not saying those things are legal (obviously not) or good (matter of opinion either way).
                      In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 19:04:15 EDT from quitter.se permalink
                      1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 19:04:47 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
                        in reply to
                        @bob @deadsuperhero @kaniini but there are lots of platforms for illegal drugs etc that don't get the same level of investigation
                        In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 19:04:47 EDT from quitter.se permalink
                        1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 19:05:13 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
                          in reply to
                          @bob @deadsuperhero @kaniini I guess it was a bad example, since it's totally distracted from my original point. My bad
                          In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 19:05:13 EDT from quitter.se permalink
                        2. INACTIVE (deadsuperhero@social.nasqueron.org)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 19:11:02 EDT INACTIVE INACTIVE
                          in reply to

                          @strypey @kaniini @bob

                          *adjusts CIA analytics*

                          Go on...

                          In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 19:11:02 EDT from social.nasqueron.org permalink
                          1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 21:44:32 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
                            in reply to
                            @deadsuperhero @bob @kaniini eg you don't see cell phone networks shut down, despite being used for all the same things as #TheSilkRoad
                            In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 21:44:32 EDT from quitter.se permalink
                            1. kaniini (kaniini@mastodon.dereferenced.org)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 22:13:52 EDT kaniini kaniini
                              in reply to

                              @strypey @deadsuperhero @bob

                              yeah most people totally use their cell phone to order fake passports and have people killed for bitcoin...

                              In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 22:13:52 EDT from mastodon.dereferenced.org permalink
                              1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 22:16:36 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
                                in reply to
                                @kaniini @bob @deadsuperhero yes, people routinely use burner cell phone to do all those things and more, but not for #BitCoin, for cash.
                                In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 22:16:36 EDT from quitter.se permalink
                                1. kaniini (kaniini@mastodon.dereferenced.org)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 22:22:59 EDT kaniini kaniini
                                  in reply to

                                  @strypey @deadsuperhero @bob

                                  it may surprise you to discover that buying a prepaid cell phone in the US requires you to present ID, even with cash.

                                  In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 22:22:59 EDT from mastodon.dereferenced.org permalink
                                  1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 22:33:10 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
                                    in reply to
                                    @kaniini @bob @deadsuperhero so you can buy guns without ID but you need ID to buy a phone? Wow. USA! USA!
                                    In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 22:33:10 EDT from quitter.se permalink
                                    1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 22:35:03 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
                                      in reply to
                                      @bob @deadsuperhero @kaniini Bryan is right, that sounds like a government whose selective law enforcement deserves no critical examination.
                                      In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 22:35:03 EDT from quitter.se permalink
                                      1. kaniini (kaniini@mastodon.dereferenced.org)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 22:45:31 EDT kaniini kaniini
                                        in reply to

                                        @strypey @deadsuperhero @bob

                                        To legally buy guns in america, you have to go to a dealer, which requires you to present ID, they have to be registered, etc.

                                        The guns that neoliberals discuss when they advocate for increased gun controls are guns that are sold under the table, e.g. on craigslist and other person to person type sales, which are basically illegal sales.

                                        1/2

                                        In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 22:45:31 EDT from mastodon.dereferenced.org permalink
                                        1. kaniini (kaniini@mastodon.dereferenced.org)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 22:48:49 EDT kaniini kaniini
                                          in reply to

                                          @bob @deadsuperhero @strypey

                                          Gun shows are pointed to frequently as another vector for illegal person-to-person gun sales.

                                          This is largely because gun shows typically are low budget and therefore low staff, meaning that it is possible to do a deal in the parking lot without anybody noticing.

                                          But, those parking lot deals are still illegal if they are undeclared by the purchaser. Also, in many places, gun licensing is required to legally register the guns.

                                          2/3

                                          In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 22:48:49 EDT from mastodon.dereferenced.org permalink
                                          1. kaniini (kaniini@mastodon.dereferenced.org)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 22:52:27 EDT kaniini kaniini
                                            in reply to

                                            @strypey @deadsuperhero @bob

                                            In any case, a gun that is illegal (not registered, possessed without appropriate license, possessed after serious offenses, etc.) is subject to police forfeiture if they find out about it.

                                            Police in the US seize many illegal guns every day.

                                            And yes, if a private gun sale occurs, the purchaser must present ID to the police to register the gun. If the registrant is not allowed to have a gun, the gun is forfeit.

                                            So in all reality, you have to have ID to own guns.

                                            In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 22:52:27 EDT from mastodon.dereferenced.org permalink
                                            1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 23:44:21 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
                                              in reply to
                                              @kaniini @bob @deadsuperhero glad we got that cleared up. Care to comment on the trustworthiness of selective US law enforcement?
                                              In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 23:44:21 EDT from quitter.se permalink
                                              1. kaniini (kaniini@mastodon.dereferenced.org)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 23:47:38 EDT kaniini kaniini
                                                in reply to

                                                @strypey @deadsuperhero @bob

                                                well, selective law enforcement when factually proven, is obviously bad and unjust.

                                                megaupload would be an example of a heavyhanded approach largely caused by lobbying.

                                                but silk road is not. good riddance to silk road.

                                                sovcits are cool up until you try to sue one for destroying your property and they waste tons of your time and money. good riddance to sovcits too.

                                                In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 23:47:38 EDT from mastodon.dereferenced.org permalink
                                                1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 12-Oct-2017 02:39:35 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
                                                  in reply to
                                                  @kaniini @bob @deadsuperhero what are "sovcits"?
                                                  In conversation Thursday, 12-Oct-2017 02:39:35 EDT from quitter.se permalink
                                                  1. kaniini (kaniini@mastodon.dereferenced.org)'s status on Thursday, 12-Oct-2017 02:41:44 EDT kaniini kaniini
                                                    in reply to

                                                    @strypey @deadsuperhero @bob

                                                    sovereign citizens, whackjobs who try to pretend they aren't under the same laws as the rest of society, largely to get out of things like:

                                                    - having to have a drivers license to operate a car

                                                    - having to pay damages when they get sued

                                                    largely they are people who get duped by the infowars.com crowd.

                                                    In conversation Thursday, 12-Oct-2017 02:41:44 EDT from mastodon.dereferenced.org permalink
                                                    1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 12-Oct-2017 02:43:58 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
                                                      in reply to
                                                      @kaniini @bob @deadsuperhero ah ok. #Newspeak sucks. How about we say "sovereign citizens" when that's what we're talking about?
                                                      In conversation Thursday, 12-Oct-2017 02:43:58 EDT from quitter.se permalink
                                                      1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 12-Oct-2017 02:44:47 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
                                                        in reply to
                                                        @bob @deadsuperhero @kaniini also, #FuckBrexit for the same reason. Why we are too lazy now to say "British exit from European Union'?
                                                        In conversation Thursday, 12-Oct-2017 02:44:47 EDT from quitter.se permalink
                                                    2. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 12-Oct-2017 02:47:07 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
                                                      in reply to
                                                      @kaniini @bob @deadsuperhero language pedantics aside, I respect people's right to question the state's claim of authority over them.
                                                      In conversation Thursday, 12-Oct-2017 02:47:07 EDT from quitter.se permalink
                                                      1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 12-Oct-2017 02:48:15 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
                                                        in reply to
                                                        @bob @deadsuperhero @kaniini even if I don't agree with their particular rationale or tactics, respect for dissent is essential to democracy
                                                        In conversation Thursday, 12-Oct-2017 02:48:15 EDT from quitter.se permalink
                                                        1. kaniini (kaniini@mastodon.dereferenced.org)'s status on Thursday, 12-Oct-2017 02:50:15 EDT kaniini kaniini
                                                          in reply to

                                                          @strypey @deadsuperhero @bob

                                                          dissent is fine, lying to ourselves that silk road wasn't a forum to purchase anything other than entirely non-legitimate services in order to make some sort of political statement, however, is intellectually dishonest in my opinion :)

                                                          In conversation Thursday, 12-Oct-2017 02:50:15 EDT from mastodon.dereferenced.org permalink
                                                          1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 12-Oct-2017 04:02:49 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
                                                            in reply to
                                                            @kaniini @bob @deadsuperhero your double negative has left me confused about what you are saying here, but either way, not the point I made.
                                                            In conversation Thursday, 12-Oct-2017 04:02:49 EDT from quitter.se permalink
                        3. kaniini (kaniini@mastodon.dereferenced.org)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 19:44:02 EDT kaniini kaniini
                          in reply to

                          @strypey @deadsuperhero @bob

                          i am pretty sure the counterfeit passports and paid hits had more to do with it than the drugs honestly.

                          you don't really believe that another website offering counterfeit passports and paid hits that took fiat currency wouldn't also be shutdown, right?

                          In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 19:44:02 EDT from mastodon.dereferenced.org permalink
                          1. kaniini (kaniini@mastodon.dereferenced.org)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 19:47:35 EDT kaniini kaniini
                            in reply to

                            @bob @deadsuperhero @strypey

                            i mean, i would be expecting law enforcement to investigate the shit out of websites that basically have entire sections consisting of services devoted to identity fraud and even more illegal activities such as paying to have your domestic partner killed.

                            like i said, i'm 99% sure that's the real reason the US government cared so much about silk road.

                            drugs are boring, people send drugs in the mail every day and nobody really looks into it.

                            In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 19:47:35 EDT from mastodon.dereferenced.org permalink
                          2. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 21:39:03 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
                            in reply to
                            @kaniini @bob @deadsuperhero you're begging the question (no sensible person would believe that...)
                            In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 21:39:03 EDT from quitter.se permalink
                            1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 21:40:11 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
                              in reply to
                              @bob @deadsuperhero @kaniini but no, I don't think websites that use fiat (or credit cards) are so rigorously, or so publicly executed
                              In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 21:40:11 EDT from quitter.se permalink
                              1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 21:41:57 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
                                in reply to
                                @bob @deadsuperhero @kaniini I think there was a strategy to publicly associate #BitCoin with #TheSilkRoad and organised crime in general
                                In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 21:41:57 EDT from quitter.se permalink
                                1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 21:42:53 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
                                  in reply to
                                  @bob @deadsuperhero @kaniini then very publicly smash #TheSilkRoad, a warning shot to #BitCoin dissenters with sovereign citizen aspirations
                                  In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 21:42:53 EDT from quitter.se permalink
                                  1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 21:43:52 EDT Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
                                    in reply to
                                    @bob @deadsuperhero @kaniini similar to the way #MegaUpload was publicly smashed, a warning to shot to user-generated content hosting sites
                                    In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 21:43:52 EDT from quitter.se permalink
    2. Bob Mottram (bob@social.freedombone.net)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Oct-2017 14:22:19 EDT Bob Mottram Bob Mottram
      in reply to
      @kaniini Justing by previous security implementations I expect that wouldn't go well.

      Strategically, I think it's a good idea to keep money processing out of social networks.
      In conversation Tuesday, 10-Oct-2017 14:22:19 EDT from social.freedombone.net permalink
      1. kaniini (kaniini@mastodon.dereferenced.org)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 01:58:19 EDT kaniini kaniini
        in reply to

        @bob you realize i was being sarcastic right ?

        In conversation Wednesday, 11-Oct-2017 01:58:19 EDT from mastodon.dereferenced.org permalink
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