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1. Adam (inkslinger@mastodon.club)'s status on Thursday, 11-Oct-2018 00:55:08 EDT Adam

   If, as many are suggesting, liberalism is a failed project then it's truly socialism or barbarism. Right now, the barbarians are winning.

   1. Modern Industrial (modernindustrial@mastodon.club)'s status on Sunday, 14-Oct-2018 08:44:46 EDT Modern Industrial

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      @ink_slinger I'm not sure liberalism has necessarily failed, but our governmental structures have.

      Proportional representation would go a long way to fixing it, but I still haven't figured out how to stop the corrosive effects of concentrated capital over long timespans.

      1. Adam (inkslinger@mastodon.club)'s status on Sunday, 14-Oct-2018 11:10:57 EDT Adam

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         @Modern_Industrial Yeah. The electoral system isn't necessarily irreparable. And I certainly wouldn't want the kind of authoritarian socialism that was prominent in the 20th century. I want democracy, for sure, but I want that democracy to extend to the economy. That, in very oversimplified terms, is what democratic socialism means to me. So, not liberal democracy, but still democratic and arguably more so.

         1. Adam (inkslinger@mastodon.club)'s status on Sunday, 14-Oct-2018 11:12:27 EDT Adam

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            @Modern_Industrial Or maybe we just get a central economic planning AI to determine the best way of allocating resources, such that everyone gets an equitable share and no one is allowed to have more money than they could possibly spend in 10 lifetimes.

            1. Modern Industrial (modernindustrial@mastodon.club)'s status on Sunday, 14-Oct-2018 11:38:22 EDT Modern Industrial

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               @ink_slinger I lean toward basic income, high marginal tax rates on large incomes, and strict white collar crime enforcement. Capitalism is really good at finding clever ways to do things in ways central planning isnt - the question for me is how to maintain sufficient containment so that the power of focused money doesn't burn society down.

               1. Adam (inkslinger@mastodon.club)'s status on Sunday, 14-Oct-2018 23:13:35 EDT Adam

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                  @Modern_Industrial I lean toward market socialism, partly for that reason. It's markets, rather than capitalism, I think, that are clever in that respect. Decommodify staple foods, housing and similar necessities. The rest could still be market based, with competion among worker coops. I might just be a mutualist, in the end.