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1. Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Nov-2018 08:52:12 EST Strypey

   Matt Slater responds to the rise of the #PlatformCooperativism movement by issuing a call for #ProtocolCooperativism:
   https://platform.coop/stories/protocol-cooperativism

   1. Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Nov-2018 08:58:37 EST Strypey

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      I have lot of sympathy for Matt Slater's arguments for Protocol Cooperativism. This is essentially the songbook I was singing from, since the late 90s, and throughout my time working on the Aotearoa localizations of #Indymedia and #CreativeCommons. But in hindsight, those songs were naive. As Matt points out within his own essay, capitalists have already figured out ways to dominate open networks based on open protocols (eg Microsoft's "embrace, extend, extinguish"). Ownership matters.

      1. Mayel (mayel@pub.mayel.space)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Nov-2018 09:16:16 EST Mayel

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         @strypey Don't you think "embrace, extend, extinguish" depends on us accepting their propositions though? (eg. using Github), maybe out of convenience, cost saving, or even necessity (eg. using it to survive capitalism).
         
         Hence we need networked alternatives (making them protocol-based means we can achieve 'network effects' and scale cooperatively, rather than each small initiative having to fight that battle again and again) that are not only convenient and attractive to use, but which also help us thrive economically (something @matslats and others have been working on for a long time)...
      2. Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Monday, 07-Jan-2019 11:05:25 EST Strypey

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         I notice a lot of people are boosting my post about @matslats 's proposal for #ProtocolCooperativism, so I just want to point out that I went off half-cocked (sorry Matt!), before I read the whole piece. What I said in my post is pretty much what Matt says towards the end of his piece.