@detectivehyde @phildobangnz Well, until you know what layer that is, I would caution against making it your enemy just yet. You may be resistant to it due to the layer you are on, just as people at the third layer can resist the second layer. Perhaps out of fear, or because they don't want to think deeper. There are people that prefer chit-chat over having meaningful conversations because it is safer. It doesn't challenge them like meaning does. Just my cents. I don't actually know what this top layer is like.