Conversation

Notices

1. Adam (inkslinger@mastodon.club)'s status on Wednesday, 15-May-2019 17:57:40 EDT Adam

   Don Braid attempts to tell Albertans a federal Liberal minority propped up by the Green Party would be terrible. Meanwhile, I'm here for it. Such an alliance wouldn't go nearly far enough, but it would do more than pay lip service to climate collapse (as the Liberals have done so far), and certainly more than the nothing the Conservatives will do if they win in October.

   https://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/braid-think-this-is-bad-imagine-a-liberal-minority-backed-by-greens

   1. Adam (inkslinger@mastodon.club)'s status on Wednesday, 15-May-2019 18:01:15 EDT Adam

      in reply to

      And, honestly, TMX is dead and should stay that way. There's no Asian market for our oil anyway. If there was, they'd already be shipping oil to Asia via the existing Trans Mountain pipeline but, for the most part, they're not. There is simply no real economic case for an expansion; even if there was, I'm not sure that would justify it given the issues of both climate change and Indigenous sovereignty -- remember that most of BC is unceded territory.

      1. M. Grégoire (mpjgregoire@mastodon.club)'s status on Wednesday, 15-May-2019 19:26:05 EDT M. Grégoire

         in reply to

         @ink_slinger What does the existing Transmountain pipeline carry, if it isn't oil for export?

         1. Adam (inkslinger@mastodon.club)'s status on Wednesday, 15-May-2019 19:39:01 EDT Adam

            in reply to

            @mpjgregoire
            Oil for export that is mostly shipped to the US. Asian refineries largely can't refine bitumen (this could be a chicken vs egg thing, of course; why engineer refineries to refine a product they mostly can't access?).

            1. M. Grégoire (mpjgregoire@mastodon.club)'s status on Wednesday, 15-May-2019 20:12:38 EDT M. Grégoire

               in reply to

               @ink_slinger Well, you are probably following this more closely than I am, but I had the impression that the new pipe would carry diluted bitumen, and the existing had more conventional petroleum products.

               #Transmountain #pipeline

               1. Adam (inkslinger@mastodon.club)'s status on Wednesday, 15-May-2019 22:00:08 EDT Adam

                  in reply to

                  @mpjgregoire You may be right. I'd have to recheck what I read recently. But the fact remains that Asian refineries can't process our bitumen. But, chicken vs egg...they could retrofit them, but why would they do so if they don't have the product? But they're not going to suddenly start buying a bunch of bitumen they can't process just because there's now a pipeline to tidewater. Someone, somewhere in the supply chain, needs to take a major risk to make anything happen.