And proud-of-self-flaggelation coworker is a fresh alumnus and totally incapable of considering how much more effective a dev they'd be if they'd skipped the high-brow classes foolishly required by their last-century CS program and just shipped code.
I've worked with many mathematicians/RF engineers who knew nothing about coding but who we taught and in few short months were helping ship juicy code we sold for 💰💰💰. I maintain CS degree is laughably irrelevant for paying the bills with code.