@datatitian @Bernie2020 They're both kinda muddling around a topic where they need extremely clear talking points. I get Colbert is a favorable audience they don't need to preach to, but there's a very simple way to say it: "Your taxes could go up a little, but your medical expenses will drop to zero and for most people that's a win" followed by "the math works because it cuts out a huge number of for-profit middlemen who are incentivized to not give you care".