@lynnesbian @wxcafe i think both things can be true at the same time
on the one hand Vim has a really really good manual and follows consistent conventions & metaphors
on the other hand we've all been taught a lot of _other_ conventions by our experiences with the GUI software we have to interact with during the day to day
so while it is probably true that you couldn't find a person on fedi or Twitter for whom Photoshop takes longer to learn than Vim that's not true if you include non-computer-users