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1. Saint Fury (saintfury@loadaverage.org)'s status on Thursday, 02-Apr-2020 05:54:24 EDT Saint Fury
   I think its safe to say my interest in the Fediverse is past. It doesn't work to protect communities and we saw that in very big ways a few times now. No one wants to work within the existing framework in ways that will achieve that aim.
   
   Most of my thoughts when it comes to social network development these days are spent on how I can do that better.
   1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Thursday, 02-Apr-2020 14:50:53 EDT lnxw48a1

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      @saintfury That's a sad statement. I see lots of people pursuing their own "protect our community" strategies, and so far, I've never seen a one that will work in the current, heterogeneous Fediverse or any other existing network.
      
      For example, Mastodon restricts its searches to a user's own posts. So people build their own search engines to make it possible to find people and topics.
      
      Some software has broken posting scopes: pretending scope-limited posts are "direct messages" is probably the most dangerous decision made, and "followers only" is only slightly less dangerous. People exchange contact and financial information in posts with the equivalent of a "no trespassing" sign, but there's no fence of any kind.
      
      Finally, the worst "community safety" feature is the propaganda that tells people the #Fediverse is a safe, non-public space without [undesired group]. It isn't and it never has been. Sure, one can set conventions of behavior within their particular subset of instances, but those conventions do not apply to those outside that subset. Frankly, we'd be safer if we assume that everything we post is public, and that features meant to create non-public subsets may not work as expected.
   2. Saint Fury (saintfury@loadaverage.org)'s status on Thursday, 02-Apr-2020 05:57:08 EDT Saint Fury

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      One of the chief lessons we should have learned fromi Twitter and Facebook is that making hugely-disparate communities share the same space only works when there's mutual respect. And it ultimately failed in the Fediverse because most of Mastodon and for that matter Pleroma has no respect for themselves, let alone anyone else.
      1. Saint Fury (saintfury@loadaverage.org)'s status on Thursday, 02-Apr-2020 05:57:49 EDT Saint Fury

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         Any system of community governance which relies upon the good of your fellow humans is going to be destined to failure, because we are, by nature, selfish, rather than altruistic, in general.