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1. mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@loadaverage.org)'s status on Monday, 20-Jul-2020 13:25:05 EDT mangeurdenuage
   >wiki ubuntu uses qwant for it's search engine
   >qwant literally the google of europe
   1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Jul-2020 14:23:13 EDT lnxw48a1

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      @mangeurdenuage Is #Qwant really that pervasive? #Google got to be so big because its results were better than existing search providers. Yahoo used to be close (even with a Bing backend) and #DuckDuckGo was even closer (with Bing, #Yandex, and others), but lately, using a non-G search results in just going back to G.
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      The deep secret among search providers is that the "B" in #Bing stands for "broken". Despite 20+ years of Microsoft pouring money into search, its results are usually comparable in their awfulness with #Ask.
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      #Seeks & #Searx can get decent results when they're set to use Google as their provider, but if an instance gets popular, it will hit its API limit.
      1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Jul-2020 14:35:22 EDT lnxw48a1

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         On search: I really want to host another #YaCy node, but YaCy's results are still not great. Even when my node was crawling & indexing sites in a particular field (at the time, FOSS SQL and NOSQL databases) weekly, searches for things in that field were infested with non-related results such that finding the desired answer was unreliable.
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         YaCy integrates #Solr ... so its results should be improvable.
         1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Jul-2020 14:37:14 EDT lnxw48a1

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            I could try using #Gigablast for a while.
      2. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Jul-2020 14:39:39 EDT lnxw48a1

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         I used to use #Startpage / #Ixquick, but they were taken over by a sketchy company with a history of questionable actions.
      3. mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@loadaverage.org)'s status on Monday, 20-Jul-2020 15:37:20 EDT mangeurdenuage

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         >Is #Qwant really that pervasive?
         Yes, I'd wish I had backed up the interview with Jean Baptiste Piacentino (ceo) had a few years ago with someone who had knowledge in internet anonymity. Anyway the JBP (ceo) is no trust worthy for example he constantly ignored the questions about metadata. And behind the financing of qwant there is the EU https://www.eurofound.europa.eu/observatories/emcc/erm/factsheets/qwant .
         
         If you begin to cross the information, between the EU's eunomia, and great firewall I'm a bit doubtful that the promises of qwant are something that can be taken seriously.
         https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2020/648784/IPOL_STU(2020)648784_EN.pdf
         https://cordis.europa.eu/project/rcn/220360/factsheet/en
         Besides all of that, it's proprietary, centralized, requires JS, no onion url etc....
         At least duckduckgo has an onion url.
         
         >The deep secret among search providers is that the "B" in #Bing stands for "broken".
         From what I heard it's great for searching porno-graphical content.
         
         >#Seeks & #Searx can get decent results when they're set to use Google as their provider, but if an instance gets popular, it will hit its API limit.
         Sadly. At least you can use DDG via searx.
         
         >I really want to host another #YaCy node
         Yacy is neat but needs a big team for it to be viable with time.
         Something to finance.
         1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Jul-2020 23:27:59 EDT lnxw48a1

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            @mangeurdenuage I think the thing #YaCy needs most is algorithm improvements. It already crawls and indexes a significant subset of the things in the major search engines' indexes, but it fails to select correct enough results out of that index.