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1. Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2017 16:38:07 EDT Stephen Michael Kellat
   Someone forked pumpio?  WHY?  https://activity.distopico.info/distopico/image/crGO5c0gQYO1cvMTt5ig1g
   1. kat (kat@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2017 19:46:39 EDT kat

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      @alpacaherder having more federated platforms has got to be better? 
   2. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2017 20:14:00 EDT lnxw48a1

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      @kat @alpacaherder From the link, I understand the reasoning, but transferring E14N's servers got caught up in Evan's work schedule, so most of the network nodes have been offline for over a year. At this point, forking seems like an exercise in futility.
      1. Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2017 22:24:01 EDT Stephen Michael Kellat

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         @lnxw48a1 @kat I’m still furloughed.  The resources to take over those servers is beyond my grasp.
      2. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2017 23:44:52 EDT clacke

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         @lnxw48a1 @kat @alpacaherder I don't get the reasoning "people refer to Evan too much in discussions".
         
         It's not because Evan has final say in anything, he has handed over the project. It's just that maybe some of the code needs his feedback because it's not clearly documented or tested. A fork won't resolve that, on the contrary it will just make communication and cooperation more difficult.
         1. Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 00:22:00 EDT Stephen Michael Kellat

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            @clacke @kat @lnxw48a1 That's the other nasty part.  The forking forkers don't want a benevolent dictator/single maintainer. 
            1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 01:32:41 EDT clacke

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               @alpacaherder @kat @lnxw48a1 Nobody insists on having a benevolent dictator. strugee is just the only person willing to take responsibility for the code base. Have they even asked him for the commit bit?
               
               I'm not super angry about them forking, it just seems counterproductive. Everything they want to do is already registered as issues on the mother project, they could just start solving them. Now there are two places to track issues.
               1. Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 01:44:22 EDT Stephen Michael Kellat

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                  @clacke @kat @lnxw48a1 They're looking at the problems other than ActivityPub as "easy".  I'm worried they're going to have a dumpster fire.
         2. Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 00:23:10 EDT Stephen Michael Kellat

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            @clacke @kat @lnxw48a1 Prior to Evan coming up with StatusNet originally, what else was there that did what it did other than Twitter?
            1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 00:25:30 EDT lnxw48a1

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               @alpacaherder @clacke @kat Pownce (did it best, but was acquihired), Jaiku (better than Twitter, but Google cut off its resources and let it wither), and I'm sure there were others that I did not try. I think Plurk came along later.
               1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 01:35:01 EDT clacke

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                  @lnxw48a1 @kat @alpacaherder I have read and heard several people lately reminiscing on the early days of microblogging, there were several things in the air in 2008, free and proprietary.
                  
                  Probably that audio interview with evan recently, and that written interview @deadsuperhero had with @mike@macgirvin.com .
                  1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 01:41:32 EDT clacke

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                     Hmm, https://changelog.com/podcast/257 is the Evan interview I was thinking of, I think, but it doesn't mention many networks.
                     1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 01:43:42 EDT clacke

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                        https://medium.com/we-distribute/got-zot-mike-macgirvin-45287601ff19 is the interview with mike, but it only mentions appleseed and 6d apart from what has already been mentioned.
                        1. Bob Jonkman (bobjonkman@gs.jonkman.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 03:19:18 EDT Bob Jonkman

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                           The interview of @mike by @deadsuperhero is *really* good! https://medium.com/we-distribute/got-zot-mike-macgirvin-45287601ff19
                           1. Bob Jonkman (bobjonkman@gs.jonkman.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 03:20:48 EDT Bob Jonkman

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                              Why we need fully-qualified user names in !GNUsocial. @mike is not the @mike@macgirvin.com who I meant.
                              1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 05:05:45 EDT clacke

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                                 @bobjonkman It is the same person, though!
                                 1. Bob Jonkman (bobjonkman@gs.jonkman.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 23:52:28 EDT Bob Jonkman

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                                    I didn't know that, so it's a happy coincidence. Still, we can't expect that all the @mike@anyserver.example.com IDs go the right person by seridipity
                                    1. Bob Jonkman (bobjonkman@gs.jonkman.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 23:53:47 EDT Bob Jonkman

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                                       It's too late for posting -- all the coffee has worn off. "Serendipity"
                                    2. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Thursday, 02-Nov-2017 00:12:36 EDT lnxw48a1

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                                       @bobjonkman @clacke I've been saying for years that hiding the server portion is bad for federation (because of the problem you just exposed and also because people using various instances become less aware of the federated nature of the network).
                                       1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Thursday, 02-Nov-2017 00:28:13 EDT lnxw48a1

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                                          @clacke I remember trying #Appleseed. It was a lot broader in its functionality than most microblogging sites, though many things were not yet working.
                                          
                                          I remember looking at #6D, but I did not ever try it.
                                    3. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 02-Nov-2017 01:26:10 EDT clacke

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                                       @bobjonkman Nope. :-)
                           2. INACTIVE (deadsuperhero@social.nasqueron.org)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 04:41:32 EDT INACTIVE

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                              @bobjonkman Hey, thanks! There's more in the pipeline with other parts of the network.

               2. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 01:59:28 EDT clacke

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                  @lnxw48a1 @kat @alpacaherder I found some posts from 2008 and the hot names seem to have been Pownce, Jaiku, Plurk, Twitter, FriendFeed and "identi.ca" (federation is hard to grasp!). Also tumblr, if one includes that in microblogging.
                  
                  Here's one:
                  
                  http://conniebensen.com/2008/07/04/twitter-friendfeed-jaiku-pownce-plurk-identica/
                  
                  Wow, didn't know Bambuser existed already back in 2008:
                  
                  https://bambuser.blogspot.com/2008/09/integration-with-friendfeed-identica.html
                  
                  I see surprisingly little talk of Yammer, which launched in 2008, but maybe is wasn't well-known until 2009. I remember considering it the greatest threat to StatusNet, which wasn't a name for GS until 2009.
                  
                  I happened upon the point in history where @forteller entered the Fediverse for the first time. :-)
                  
                  https://pthree.org/2008/07/02/identica/
                  1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 02:26:43 EDT clacke

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                     March 2009:
                     
                     > With services such as Qaiku, Twitbear, Bloggy and others being created it shows that the vacuum created by Jaiku’s downtime has created a new market for microblogging.
                     
                     https://social.heldscal.la/url/906536
   3. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Thursday, 02-Nov-2017 00:19:32 EDT lnxw48a1

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      Distropico was persuaded to join the #Pump.io project as a committer. #Compa will be repurposed as a Foursquare clone.
      1. Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 02-Nov-2017 00:48:16 EDT Stephen Michael Kellat

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         @lnxw48a1 That'll be good.  Evan is highly intelligent and couldn't figure out some of those big problems.  We need more eyes together.
      2. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 02-Nov-2017 01:32:33 EDT clacke

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         @lnxw48a1 @alpacaherder Yeah, it was great to see them show up on IRC and patch everything up.