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1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Friday, 27-Nov-2020 19:22:38 EST lnxw48a1
   #sonTwo texted to tell me that his in-laws bought them a bread machine.
   
   Me: Oh, cool! I was thinking the same thing, but it's beyond my current budget.
   
   They can sometimes be competitive, but I'm more of *good, you're helping take care of our kids and grandkids*
   1. Bob Jonkman (bobjonkman@gs.jonkman.ca)'s status on Saturday, 28-Nov-2020 19:13:52 EST Bob Jonkman

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      Bread machines are great. I haven't bought a loaf of bread in about three years. If #sonTwo's bread machine has custom settings, I recommend 20 min knead time, changing the rise times (1hr, 1.5hrs, 1.5hrs) and at least 60-70 min bake time. A good recipe is 1 cup water, 2.5 cups all-purpose flour, 2 tbsp wheat gluten, 1 tbsp sugar, 2 tbsp oil, and a generous 1/2 tsp dry yeast. Although "hard flour for bread" (with all the natural gluten) is recommended, I use all-purpose flour (with about half the natural gluten removed), then adding about 1 tbsp of "vital wheat gluten". Cake and pastry flour have most of the natural gluten removed, so I've never even tried it.