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1. GeniusMusing (geniusmusing@nu.federati.net)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Dec-2020 15:37:51 EST GeniusMusing
   @lnxw48a1 @musicman
   CentOS Linux 8 will end in 2021 and shifts focus to CentOS Stream nixCraft
   https://nu.federati.net/url/278794
   
   >snip
   >The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date, serving as the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases. If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you to contact Red Hat about options.
   >snip
   1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Dec-2020 15:46:42 EST lnxw48a1

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      That will affect some organizations that are using #CentOS as "no-fee #Red_Hat", but the truth is, many orgs have to seek out 3rd party repos because the software included in RH and CentOS is so old. If CentOS Stream is still stable, it might lead to an increase in users.
      
      I'll see about installing it on one of my servers at home soon.
      1. GeniusMusing (geniusmusing@nu.federati.net)'s status on Tuesday, 08-Dec-2020 15:58:53 EST GeniusMusing

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         @lnxw48a1 I will give it a spin but I still like old, slow, and stable Debian.
         1. GeniusMusing (geniusmusing@nu.federati.net)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Dec-2020 08:52:29 EST GeniusMusing

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            @lnxw48a1 @musicman
            Related:
            LINUX Unplugged 383: Murder of a Distro
            https://linuxunplugged.com/383
            Have not listened to it yet.
            1. musicman (musicman@nu.federati.net)'s status on Friday, 11-Dec-2020 10:22:19 EST musicman

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               gave a webinar on this on Wednesday. The Webinar has been planned for some time. I actually recorded it on Monday and then we have to make the decision to do it live.
               
               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1M6EYA14eU
               1. GeniusMusing (geniusmusing@nu.federati.net)'s status on Friday, 11-Dec-2020 13:24:09 EST GeniusMusing

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                  @lnxw48a1 @musicman @guizzy
                  
                  Based on what I have read in the CentOS blog, It seems that the only real change I can see to the process is the dropping of minor point releases but there will still be major point releases. Now if they moving from major release to the next as painless as updates I might consider it but I have other issues with CentOS as a desktop.
                  
                  How RHEL is Made – Blog.CentOS.org
                  https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/how-rhel-is-made/
                  
                  CentOS Stream is Continuous Delivery – Blog.CentOS.org
                  https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/centos-stream-is-continuous-delivery/
                  1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Friday, 11-Dec-2020 15:09:49 EST lnxw48a1

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                     @geniusmusing You're right. Reading the blog post, it sounds like #CentOS Stream isn't a buggy beta distro after all, but instead, it moves CentOS to be slightly ahead of #RHEL (because of the continuous delivery part).
                     
                     I don't imagine that CStream is going to have modern versions of included software very much ahead of RHEL's major version bumps. (I go back to that often, because I've always need a 3rd party software repo, due to the advanced age of the versions included in RHEL & CentOS repos. The software is often so old that the upstream project no longer supports it.)
                     1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Friday, 11-Dec-2020 15:10:41 EST lnxw48a1

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                        Should also have tagged @musicman and @guizzy. https://nu.federati.net/conversation/2517330#notice-3351542
                        1. GeniusMusing (geniusmusing@nu.federati.net)'s status on Friday, 11-Dec-2020 16:15:50 EST GeniusMusing

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                           @lnxw48a1 @musicman @guizzy
                           Well I installed it as a "work station" and the first thing I do is update and then check on the Firefox version. It comes with the LTS version 78.3.0
                           The current release of FF LTS is 78.5.0 released on 2020-11-17. So almost a month post release it has yet to be updated in the repo. On the plus side I have been able to mount my server shares with just a click and login info, but they do not stay on reboot.
                           
                           Other things of note:
                           No Thunderbird or Chromium
                           Developer tools have finally decided on the best IDE, gedit or IDLE3 are you choices with VIM and Emacs being relegated to the "Utilities" category and there are no games... maybe I will just stick to Fedora.