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1. clacke: inhibited exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 09-Apr-2023 23:35:39 EDT clacke: inhibited exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛

   Criticisms against what people believe to be the 15-minute city concept (it isn't):

   "if you have to walk everywhere that's ablist"

   agreed, let's make sure we allow people who need it to get places by car (we do)

   "if the barista can't get to work in 15 minutes it's a theme park"

   agreed, let's include mixed price neighborhoods in the concept (we do)

   "if you are not allowed to leave your 15-minute neighborhood that's totalitarianism"

   agreed ... I ... what ... who hurt you?

   1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 19:21:34 EDT lnxw48a1

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      @clacke It seems to me that people fear that governments and corporations will use this concept as a way to gain control over where people go and when. "Oh, no. You can't go there. That's more than a fifteen minute walk from your residence." And tied, of course to miserably high-density living conditions.
      
      Whereas I see the concept as requiring a level of rip-and-replace that isn't practical in most of the US. Over a period of decades, we may re-emphasize walkability and mixed-use neighborhoods, but no city is going to approve knocking down its entire building stock and rebuilding over a five to ten year span according to someone's mystical magical conceptual plan.
      1. clacke: inhibited exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Apr-2023 06:33:52 EDT clacke: inhibited exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛

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         @LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} Of course it can't be done overnight. It took decades to get into this mess.

         I just don't see how some people go so easily from "make it easier to do many things within a 15-minute radius" to "concentration camps".

         If the government wants to trap you in your house they can do it now. As noted, they already did! They didn't need to zone for a bakery and a grocer first.

         Miserable living conditions are not implied by high density planning unless someone personally prefers living far away from people and services, which of course some people do.

   2. clacke: inhibited exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Apr-2023 07:26:36 EDT clacke: inhibited exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛

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      People conflate density with downtown car-centric regional capitals. There are different forms of dense urban living.

      Oh The Urbanity!: "What People Get Wrong About Dense Urban Living"

      farside.link/invidious/watch?v…

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCmz-f…