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1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2017 03:55:54 EST clacke
   > the Conservancy, which was originally established and wholly funded by SFLC, and still bears our name
   
   The Software Freedom part. Moglen wants to own Software Freedom now.
   
   https://softwarefreedom.org/blog/2017/nov/06/conservancy-stmt/
   1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2017 04:25:36 EST clacke

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      > That’s not some more aggressive choice that the holder has made; it is not an attack, let alone a “bizarre” attack, on anybody.
      
      It is bizarre if the entity challenging the trademark is one of the founders of the entity holding the trademark, probably had input into the naming, and initially didn't challenge it for over a decade.
      
      It's not like they discovered that hey, here's this organization we never heard of and they're using a name similar to ours. Somebody should have told us!
      1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2017 04:29:36 EST clacke

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         > Any project working with the Conservancy that feels in any way at risk should contact us. We will immediately work with them to put in place measures fully ensuring that they face no costs and no risks in this situation.
         
         Nice fiscal sponsor you've got there. Would be a shame if something happened to it.
         1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2017 05:21:20 EST clacke

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            > We recognize this pattern in their conduct from other situations.
            
            That refers to when the SLC as a last resort, after years of prodding and negotiation, couldn't see another way to resolve the VMKernel situation than taking VMWare to court, with which the SFLC disagreed.
            1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2017 20:15:20 EST clacke

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               There's a great overview of the forces behind the lawsuit in the comments to https://lwn.net/Articles/738046/ .
               
               In particular, Bruce Perens provides a timeline of events at https://lwn.net/Articles/738109/ .
               
               lobstrors are discussing it at gsvdqe/sflc_files_bizarre_legal_action_against .
               1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2017 20:15:41 EST clacke

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                  https://lobste.rs/s/gsvdqe/sflc_files_bizarre_legal_action_against
               2. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2017 20:35:23 EST clacke

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                  Moglen's speech that basically proclaims his rift with Kuhn is here:
                  
                  https://softwarefreedom.org/resources/2016/whither-copyleft.html
                  
                  > But some of my angry friends, dear friends, friends I really care for, have come to the conclusion that they’re on a jihad for free software.
                  
                  > And I will say this after decades of work—whatever else will be the drawbacks in other areas of life—the problem in our neighborhood is that jihad does not scale.
                  
                  > What we have been hearing this afternoon from the lawyers I have been friends and colleagues and occasional professional adversaries with over these decades is that in the industrial use of free software scale is what matters.
                  
                  I was shocked when I heard him say that. And that's why I wasn't shocked when I heard about this escalating to a frivolous lawsuit. Only sad.
                  1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2017 22:04:33 EST lnxw48a1

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                     @clacke I say again, we need to name and shame the #SFLC's funders until they rein in this insanity.
                     1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2017 22:45:16 EST clacke

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                        @lnxw48a1 The Linux Foundation.
                        1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2017 22:45:53 EST clacke

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                           @lnxw48a1 (Largest individual donor)
                     2. Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2017 23:48:23 EST Stephen Michael Kellat

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                        @lnxw48a1 @clacke RRA98 Section 1203 says I have to stay quiet about certain matters in open fora.  My correct key is at pad.lv/~skellat ...
                        1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2017 01:22:47 EST clacke

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                           @alpacaherder @lnxw48a1 It's ... probably for the best.