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1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2017 21:51:17 EST Danyl Strype
   "Spontaneous compliance is how law really works" - Eben Moglen
   http://qttr.at/1zsh
   1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2017 21:57:18 EST Danyl Strype

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      "... the amount of policing necessary to produce perfect compliance is an amount of policing we can neither afford nor tolerate ..."
      1. huwyte lash (slrock@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2017 22:17:25 EST huwyte lash

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         @strypey humans can't achieve perfection nor should they aim for it. Policing is all about the threat. If a class of rule breaker or criminal finds the threats of GovCo toothless, that class of rulebreaker or criminal will proliferate with new actors

         1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2017 00:22:35 EST Danyl Strype

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            @slrock Eben's whole point, summed up in these two quotes, is that the threat of enforcement is *not* what makes the rule of law work ...
            1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2017 00:25:08 EST Danyl Strype

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               @slrock ... no level of threat can make people comply with unreasonable law, as you can see from the results of the War on (Some) Drug
               1. huwyte lash (slrock@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2017 01:02:02 EST huwyte lash

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                  @strypey I would say the people have thoroughly complied by voting yes for govt regulation of alcohol, tobacco, and cannabis.

               2. huwyte lash (slrock@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2017 01:05:15 EST huwyte lash

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                  @strypey I mean, true, in that no govt can make 100% of its constituents act lawfully/legally 100% of the time.

            2. huwyte lash (slrock@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2017 01:09:19 EST huwyte lash

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               @strypey What author and work are you citing? I'll give it a read, maybe.

               1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2017 01:13:56 EST Danyl Strype

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                  @slrock quotes are from Eben Moglen speaking about copyleft enforcement at a conference in 2016
                  http://qttr.at/1zsh
                  1. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2017 01:43:04 EST clacke

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                     @strypey @slrock
                     
                     The transcript is at https://softwarefreedom.org/resources/2016/whither-copyleft.html .
                     1. huwyte lash (slrock@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2017 02:49:47 EST huwyte lash

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                        @clacke @strypey Thank you

                  2. huwyte lash (slrock@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2017 02:14:41 EST huwyte lash

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                     @strypey downloaded for listening sometime soon. I gotta say tho, I've been concerned about libre music for a while and I came to the conclusion that all we need is the WTFPL and CCZERO..

                     Not a fan of copyleft, but I'll hear this guy out at least once.

   2. clacke (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2017 04:53:55 EST clacke

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      @strypey Taking the quote at its word, we should just abolish the police and the courts and replace the law with community guidelines.
      1. Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2017 19:13:18 EST Danyl Strype

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         @clacke no, Eben is saying that the law "is" community guidelines. If it relied on enforcement, rather than legitimacy, it wouldn't work.