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1. Elly, nasty enby :heart_pan: (elizafox@mst3k.interlinked.me)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2017 17:34:47 EST Elly, nasty enby :heart_pan:

   IRCv3 would rather worry more about STS (the solution: DEPRECATE PLAINTEXT, EVERY DECENT NETWORK SUPPORTS SSL) than solve real problems

   I tried to fix numerics, and I got almost nowhere.

   1. Elly, nasty enby :heart_pan: (elizafox@mst3k.interlinked.me)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2017 17:37:02 EST Elly, nasty enby :heart_pan:

      in reply to

      They would rather bicker over STS, because proposals of any substance or genuine improvement basically die on arrival because one of two things happens with every proposal:

      1) Major stakeholder is like "THIS SUCKS I AM NEVER IMPLEMENTING THIS"

      2) Insistence that "THEY SHOULD CONFORM TO WHAT WE'RE DOING"

      and I care about IRC but I just, I can't deal with that kind of "standardisation".

      1. kaniini (kaniini@mastodon.dereferenced.org)'s status on Thursday, 09-Nov-2017 17:39:50 EST kaniini

         in reply to

         @Elizafox

         yes, in general, despite ircv3's current hatefest, the charybdis team was actually the one most open to trying to prototype the proposed specs.