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1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Saturday, 18-Nov-2017 19:26:16 EST lnxw48a1
   First try of #Wire. Video called #Daddy_A, talked with him, #Little_Boy_A, #Baby_A2. Baby_A2 didn't talk or wave, but his smile almost wrapped around his head. (He's the one who was not in a people-meeting mood when I saw him in person.) #Baby_A3 was asleep. #Mama_A said hi briefly, then faded into the background. (I'll try to get her to engage more in the future. When someone marries into my family, I want to build a relationship with them as well as continue to enjoy the relationship you have with your family member.)
   1. Bob Jonkman (bobjonkman@gs.jonkman.ca)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2017 17:27:10 EST Bob Jonkman

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      Just realized #Wire is not #FreeSoftware. Lost interest...
      1. Bob Mottram (bob@social.freedombone.net)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2017 17:30:34 EST Bob Mottram

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         @bobjonkman @lnxw48a1 I know it started off as nonfree, but I thought they open sourced it all.
         1. Bob Mottram (bob@social.freedombone.net)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2017 17:32:01 EST Bob Mottram

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            @lnxw48a1 @bobjonkman https://github.com/wireapp
            1. D. Joe (deejoe@mstdn.io)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2017 17:40:13 EST D. Joe

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               @bob @bobjonkman @lnxw48a1 @bob

               Just a usage aside, I don't mean to derail (I've found the history of Wire vis-a-vis that of Signal and LibreSignal and Matrix, for instance very relevant to my interests) but ...

               I find the verbing of "open source" particulatly awkward given that the simple past tense verb form "freed" is both shorter and much more closely associated with liberation than its adjective form "free".

      2. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2017 17:40:56 EST lnxw48a1

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         @bobjonkman @bob FOSS is a requirement for me. #Wire is not yet federated, but they claim that feature is on the way. (Another requirement: I should not be forced to rely upon a single organization's server. I should either be able to host my own server or it should be P2P and not need one.)
         1. Bob Mottram (bob@social.freedombone.net)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2017 17:43:39 EST Bob Mottram

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            @lnxw48a1 @bobjonkman Wire seems like early development and without federation of servers or pure P2P it's not going to be as useful as XMPP or Matrix.
         2. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2017 17:50:13 EST lnxw48a1

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            @bobjonkman @bob One thing I am looking for in all this (and which #Ring, #Tox, and #Wire seem to be providing) is integrated audio/video chats. They ( #Daddy_A and his wife ) normally want to use Skype or Facetime (neither of which I have or use), and they have Apple devices, so no #WebRTC support either.
            1. tekk (tekk@social.tekk.in)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2017 17:53:38 EST tekk

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               @lnxw48a1 Is tox still alive? a friend and I used it for ages and it worked well, but as far as we could tell it was abandoned. Now we're stuck with #matrix which neither of us likes.
               1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2017 17:56:25 EST lnxw48a1

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                  @tekk They moved to https://tox.chat/ where they continue working on it. Bugfixed static builds released in October.
               2. Bob Mottram (bob@social.freedombone.net)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2017 18:01:44 EST Bob Mottram

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                  @tekk @lnxw48a1 tox is one of those underrated things, and last time I looked qTox is quite actively developed. The main reason why it's not more popular I think is because the mobile app sucks battery.
                  1. tekk (tekk@social.tekk.in)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2017 18:04:04 EST tekk

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                     @bob That was the opposite of my experience back with AnTox. It was fairly battery efficient where Matrix's Riot is awful (it randomly kills itself and doesn't run in te background, eats battery heavily while in the foreground)
                     1. Bob Mottram (bob@social.freedombone.net)'s status on Sunday, 19-Nov-2017 18:14:05 EST Bob Mottram

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                        @tekk I also found the Riot app to be a battery hogger initially. I set Sync request timeout to 30 seconds and Delay between two sync requests to 600 seconds and after that it uses negligible battery.
      3. stragu (stragu@mastodon.indie.host)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2017 22:25:14 EST stragu

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         @bobjonkman @lnxw48a1 is it just open source ??

         1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2017 22:46:14 EST lnxw48a1

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            @stragu @bobjonkman The Android app is #GPLv3 https://github.com/wireapp/wire-android/blob/master/LICENSE ... the iOS app will have a different license, as Apple is copyleft-hostile.
            1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2017 22:48:16 EST lnxw48a1

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               @stragu @bobjonkman I was wrong. iOS version is also #GPLv3 https://github.com/wireapp/wire-ios/blob/develop/LICENSE ... I didn't think Apple allowed copyleft licenses.
               1. lnxw48a1 (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2017 22:49:18 EST lnxw48a1

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                  And their blog entry (on Medium): https://medium.com/@wireapp/open-sourcing-wire-server-code-ef7866a731d5
               2. stragu (stragu@mastodon.indie.host)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2017 01:08:41 EST stragu

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                  @lnxw48a1 @bobjonkman I feel like that might have changed not long ago, I've heard that other apps managed to get their GPL stuff on the AppStore.

               3. stragu (stragu@mastodon.indie.host)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2017 01:09:35 EST stragu

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                  @lnxw48a1 @bobjonkman ... And I have heard Wire recently released their server code. Not sure about the licence though.

                  1. Bob Jonkman (bobjonkman@gs.jonkman.ca)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2017 02:16:45 EST Bob Jonkman

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                     @Wire has published their server source with an AGPL 3.0 license. But apparently build instructions are lacking, so I'm not sure if it's actually possible to build a working server. https://github.com/wireapp/wire-server/blob/develop/LICENSE
                     1. Bob Jonkman (bobjonkman@gs.jonkman.ca)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2017 02:17:53 EST Bob Jonkman

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                        Not the @Wire I was thinking of. Need enforced fully-qualified user names, dammit!
                        1. wire ☑ (not the messaging app) (wire@witches.town)'s status on Saturday, 02-Dec-2017 18:26:23 EST wire ☑ (not the messaging app)

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                           @bobjonkman Well they may host their own instance on their official domain. I saw an offer for a pro-bono self-hosted instance like 6 months ago. 🤷