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1. stragu (stragu@mastodon.indie.host)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2017 19:55:55 EST stragu

   I've been thinking about #CreativeCommons -licensed music, and as an occasional DJ, I feel like I will have to avoid purchasing/downloading #CCMusic that includes the "No Derivative" parameter. As I understand it, it would not allow me to perform or record a mix. To a lesser extent, "Non Commercial" also feels like a bad one, as I sometimes get paid for a gig (although I assume that would be fairly lax, just like "all rights reserved" music).
   I'd love to be proved otherwise though... Thoughts?

   1. Bob Jonkman (bobjonkman@gs.jonkman.ca)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2017 22:17:22 EST Bob Jonkman

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      I think you're right. CC-NC-ND is OK for redistributing, but no good for using in your own projects.
      1. Mark A. Gibbs (indi@sn.genesismachina.ca)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2017 22:48:13 EST Mark A. Gibbs

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         I discussed this with some other musicians once, and the solution we came up with for #CC for original works was to release in stages. 1) NC-ND first so your work, and your interpretation of it, gets a chance to percolate in the consciousness for a while. 2) After a year or so, NC-SA so artists composing free culture stuff get first dibs on remixes/derivatives. 3) After another year or so, SA. And stay SA until either the copyright expires or you put it into the #PublicDomain yourself. Thoughts?
         1. Bob Jonkman (bobjonkman@gs.jonkman.ca)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2017 02:06:07 EST Bob Jonkman

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            Ratcheting down copyright restrictions (or increasing CC permissions) over time seems like a reasonable compromise. You can always grant more liberal permission, either individually or in general, but once you've released something with a particular CC license that level of permission is irrevocable. https://creativecommons.org/faq/#what-if-i-change-my-mind-about-using-a-cc-license
            1. Bob Jonkman (bobjonkman@gs.jonkman.ca)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2017 02:06:41 EST Bob Jonkman

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               Changing a CC license to something more restrictive is ineffective (and I'm not sure everyone understands that). If it can be shown that a more permissive license existed when I used it, then I can share my copy out again under that license, even if the creator has changed the license to something else.
            2. Mark A. Gibbs (indi@sn.genesismachina.ca)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2017 07:41:55 EST Mark A. Gibbs

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               There are other possible positive side effects of stepping down #CC licences like that. For example: When you first release your art as NC-ND you (hopefully) get a wave of interest from those who like the work and just want to listen to it and share it around... eventually that dies down. Then you change the licence to NC-SA. That generates a whole new wave of interest, this time from #FreeCulture remixers and their fans. Eventually, that peters out too, so then you go just SA... and get *another* bump from professional remixers and *their* fans. From the perspective of a pro content creator, that's almost like getting three releases out of a single work. *And* you get people interested in keeping tabs on you and what you're doing, so they can hear when your stuff gets a new, freer licence - it builds you a following naturally.
      2. stragu (stragu@mastodon.indie.host)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2017 01:11:04 EST stragu

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         @bobjonkman that makes it worse than the old default copyright, to some extent... It's like it's specifically ruling out fair use? :(

         1. Bob Jonkman (bobjonkman@gs.jonkman.ca)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2017 02:08:28 EST Bob Jonkman

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            CC licenses do not supersede Fair Use or Fair Dealing. Even if a work is licensed CC-NC (Non Commercial) then, for example, a for-profit newspaper can still use it if it falls under the "newsworthy" fair use or fair dealing.
            1. stragu (stragu@mastodon.indie.host)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2017 06:59:46 EST stragu

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               @bobjonkman right, good to know. I need to look more into the intricacies of legally using music for DJing, not sure if fair use applies to that at all...

   2. James Opie (nihilore@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2017 01:26:27 EST James Opie

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      @stragu i just use attribution for these reasons and more, I get why people might be unhappy with their work being changed or monetised but it seriously limits the opportunities for it to be used