Notices by rixx (rixx@chaos.social), page 2

@prasoon Wouldn't telling them be more useful compared with telling me?

@sjur Sure, sarcasm is allowed. Anger is allowed. But direct your sarcasm *at me* (which you do when mentioning me), and it's my prerogative to shut it down, ignore it, block you, do whatever I like. If you want to snark at my content, you can do so – on your platform, in your comments, but without forcing me to read it.

But I see that in your next comment, you showed that you are neither interested in understanding the problem, nor in discussing solutions. Bye!

@sjur Freedom of speech has exactly nothing to do with it.

@BioHackerBI I guess "starve and hope for friendly individuals" it is.

@garbados I'm not intending to be hostile, though declaring a conversation over from my side only to be ignored might get me seriously annoyed (going to hit the mute button once I send this, since "we should leave it at that" doesn't work).

I was a bit surprised at having posted a link only to be snarked at, since I know this behaviour from Twitter, and had hoped that it hadn't caught on here yet. I seem to be mistaken, and will find a way to deal with this.

@BioHackerBI Ah, right. As long as nobody has to see the ads, it's fine? This is explicitly addressed in the article.

"Pop up a new terminal" is utterly impractical. I think as long as the ads appear in stdout and not in stderr (which really needs to go to logs, everything else is your tooling choice), "a log is for data" is a copout.

@garbados Of course a guild and a union can work togethere, but you claimed that the article was avoiding the ~obvious solution~ of unionizing, and when asked for details, you talked about a guild. This topic is complex enough that expanding it makes it even worse to reason about.

If profit makes software bad, then I guess we shouldn't try to live off software. Bye, cool projects. I think our worldviews are sufficiently different that we should leave it at that.

@bkastl Seems like a bot might be good enough. See responses, mute as needed.

@garbados A guild and a union are markedly different things, though. And I still don't see how a union would help in a practical way – would there be fees by large companies? Measured by employees? Or by income? Taxation? And the union would distribute these fees by what?

Or, as you mention audits, the union would offer audits in return for money? That … doesn't seem sustainable or even something I'd like to see.

Or maybe an open account, but muting (magically, with not-yet-existing tooling) all responses by people I don't follow?

I wonder if a closed account would help. What are your experiences?

Discourse on Mastodon seems to have reached Twitter levels, at least for me. (Yes, maybe my Twitter is sheltered.) People jumping in with snark and sarcasm and unwarranted advice didn't use to be the usual behaviour on here. I guess it was somewhat inevitable, though.

@garbados I don't see how unionizing would solve this particular problems. Other problems in tech and software development? Absolutely, sign me up. Open source funding for intermediary libraries? … Could you expand on that, please?

@juh Oh how convenient! Just by quoting a quip, and stating that there is no perfect solution, we can all stop looking for solutions that at least help a bit!

@BioHackerBI Alright then, fair enough.

I notice that you are very much against one proposed experiment, not even a supposed solution. I'd be curious what your solution would be instead. Or maybe it's fine that open source maintainers make no income while large companies and startups do, off their work? In that case, rock on – I'll be sitting in the other corner on that one.

@feld It could work the same way the boost/fav/reply buttons work, by asking.

@juh Sorry, I must be missing something: What are you trying to tell me?

Linode, one of the sponsors, pulled out with a "we'll be more careful with experiments in the future".

This is a result of online discussion being rant-based instead of respectful. A "Whelp, this experiment didn't work out" would've been *so much better* than "we'll be more careful about experimenting in the future".

Experiments are important. They need respectful discourse.