This is the classic case for regulation - the government comes in and whacks me with a -$600+ fine per activity and uses that to pay for cancer treatment, and I'm forced to find a better way of doing things or go out of business. Of course, this runs into all the problems of government and regulation, but thats a whole nother thread. :/
Notices by ☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭ (angle@anticapitalist.party), page 65
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Long Angles (angle@dragon.style)'s status on Sunday, 20-May-2018 17:02:39 EDT Long Angles
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Long Angles (angle@dragon.style)'s status on Sunday, 20-May-2018 17:02:30 EDT Long Angles
First and foremost, the problem of externalities. Externalities are costs or benefits that are not subject to the people involved. The best example would be pollution. I do <x>, I get a positive value of $500 from it - but I create a negative externality in the form of pollution and thereby cause -$600 in cancer in other people. The activity as a whole is of negative utility, but that negative utility is an externality, and thus the activity receives a reward of $500 instead of a penalty of -$100 as it should. Thus, the market rewards me with more resources. I scale up my activity, my business booms, and a whole lot of people get cancer and suffer for it.
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Long Angles (angle@dragon.style)'s status on Sunday, 20-May-2018 16:56:20 EDT Long Angles
The problems of markets is an area where I'm much more confident in my knowledge. I'm going to divide this into a series of posts, each of them detailing one problem and each of them in response to this post.
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☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭ (angle@anticapitalist.party)'s status on Sunday, 20-May-2018 16:48:59 EDT ☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭
@priryo That sounds very interesting. I would love to hear if anything came of it. XD
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Long Angles (angle@dragon.style)'s status on Sunday, 20-May-2018 16:45:37 EDT Long Angles
Now, on to the uses and problems of markets. The use of a market, obviously, is to distribute goods and services. They do this, of course, according to power - the power of wealth, of knowledge (Where can I buy x? How can I get it cheap?), of social standing and strategic position and all the million other forms of power both great and small through which one can get what they want. I wouldn't say that this is the best way of distributing resources, but it does generally assure that the carpenter can buy wood and the farmer can buy farm tools and that something vaguely resembling a functional economy will result. This is actually a bit where I find my expertise lacking - perhaps @profoundlynerdy can give us a good summary of the uses and advantages of markets? I could go for some adversarial collaboration right about now. :P
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Long Angles (angle@dragon.style)'s status on Sunday, 20-May-2018 16:43:52 EDT Long Angles
To start with, one thing I'd like to point out is why I'm not using the term "Free Market". And the reason is because I regard that term as errant propaganda. markets are always governed by limitations, enough so that calling them "Free" is completely misleading. What you can buy and what you can sell is always limited by a thousand different factors - what you have the resources for, what your government will allow, what you can manage, what you can defend, what your community will allow, what people are willing to sell you, etc, etc, etc. Using the word free in this context is just silly. :/
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☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭ (angle@anticapitalist.party)'s status on Sunday, 20-May-2018 16:34:40 EDT ☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭
@priryo I have been looking for a copy of that book for a while now. Might just give up and order it on the internet, I dunno. I'm still tryi ng to finish capital in the twenty first century though, so. XD
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☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭ (angle@anticapitalist.party)'s status on Sunday, 20-May-2018 16:31:03 EDT ☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭
I'm going to continue this thread on my other account, @Angle . For those who are interested, I will be taking an analytical approach. The approach an engineer might take when assessing a technology for use in their projects, or a gardener might take when reading up on a new species for their garden. If this interests you, keep watching. I will be boosting all of my posts from this account, so you should see them.
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☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭ (angle@anticapitalist.party)'s status on Sunday, 20-May-2018 16:20:10 EDT ☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭
Markets are actually a very interesting mechanism, strange as it might seem for a commie to say that. They have a number of advantages, most notably the fact that they require little to no effort to set up. They will literally assemble themselves. I'm not that big on markets overall effectiveness, but at least they're easy to create. XD
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☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭ (angle@anticapitalist.party)'s status on Sunday, 20-May-2018 15:43:55 EDT ☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭
@ivesen ...If it's communist, should it really be an empire? :thaenkin:
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☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭ (angle@anticapitalist.party)'s status on Sunday, 20-May-2018 15:43:19 EDT ☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭
Here, lemme link y'all to another of my favorite web-comics. Notable for containing one of the few depictions of a friendly hive mind in fiction. XD
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☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭ (angle@anticapitalist.party)'s status on Sunday, 20-May-2018 14:59:48 EDT ☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭
@TheGibson @cypnk ...Is it wierd that I actually reaklly like the way this looks? :/
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☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭ (angle@anticapitalist.party)'s status on Sunday, 20-May-2018 04:31:04 EDT ☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭
Be the protagonist you want to see in the world.
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☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭ (angle@anticapitalist.party)'s status on Saturday, 19-May-2018 21:08:43 EDT ☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭
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☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭ (angle@anticapitalist.party)'s status on Saturday, 19-May-2018 20:36:03 EDT ☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭
@natecull My own experience has been the exact opposite. Being exposed to the Internet has led to an incredible amount of introspection and a profound increase in my fortitude and convictions. Now, I won't claim to be the average Internet user, but even so it seems like a bit of an overreach. :/
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☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭ (angle@anticapitalist.party)'s status on Saturday, 19-May-2018 20:34:05 EDT ☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭
@natecull I'm reading it now and a few bits have made me raise my eyebrows. For example:
"Inundated via social media with the opinions of multitudes, users are diverted from introspection; in truth many technophiles use the internet to avoid the solitude they dread. All of these pressures weaken the fortitude required to develop and sustain convictions that can be implemented only by traveling a lonely road, which is the essence of creativity."
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☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭ (angle@anticapitalist.party)'s status on Saturday, 19-May-2018 20:32:58 EDT ☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭
@natecull I'm reading it now and a few bits have made me raise my eyebrows. For example:
"Inundated via social media with the opinions of multitudes, users are diverted from introspection; in truth many technophiles use the internet to avoid the solitude they dread. All of these pressures weaken the fortitude required to develop and sustain convictions that can be implemented only by traveling a lonely road, which is the essence of creativity."
This seems completely wrong to me. :/
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☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭ (angle@anticapitalist.party)'s status on Saturday, 19-May-2018 20:15:22 EDT ☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭
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☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭ (angle@anticapitalist.party)'s status on Saturday, 19-May-2018 20:14:19 EDT ☭⚑ Comrade Angles ⚑☭
Argh. Whats that thing called where you take a positive integer and multiply it by one less recursively? aka 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1? Usually written as "!x", I. E. "!5"? My brain insists that these are polynomials, but I'm pretty syre thats not right. :/
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⎕OFF (accedie@anticapitalist.party)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2017 10:24:31 EST ⎕OFF
Boost if you think trains are the best method of transit.
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