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Notices by :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: (kaniini@pleroma.site), page 148

  1. :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: (kaniini@pleroma.site)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2019 19:12:53 EDT :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    in reply to
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    • Starwall the Science Ball
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    @starwall @clarjon1

    i don't care about Fedi Gold, i care about usable messaging
    In conversation Friday, 14-Jun-2019 19:12:53 EDT from pleroma.site permalink
  2. :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: (kaniini@pleroma.site)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2019 19:11:44 EDT :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • Starwall the Science Ball
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    @starwall @clarjon1

    this is not about Fedi Gold, this is about people missing posts that I needed them to read and respond to (such as a question) because they skipped over it.
    In conversation Friday, 14-Jun-2019 19:11:44 EDT from pleroma.site permalink
  3. :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: (kaniini@pleroma.site)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2019 19:10:03 EDT :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • Starwall the Science Ball
    • no name® :verified:
    @starwall @clarjon1

    loads of people want *some* CWs collapsed, and that *some* is different depending on who you ask

    what i want is the ability for users to specify what they want collapsed (including everything) instead of treating CWs as spoiler text

    do you understand now?
    In conversation Friday, 14-Jun-2019 19:10:03 EDT from pleroma.site permalink
  4. :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: (kaniini@pleroma.site)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2019 19:04:58 EDT :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • Starwall the Science Ball
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    @starwall @clarjon1

    yes, it actually does.

    when using mastodon clients, i usually skip over CWed posts.

    if you CW posts, there are MANY who will just skip over it
    In conversation Friday, 14-Jun-2019 19:04:58 EDT from pleroma.site permalink
  5. :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: (kaniini@pleroma.site)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2019 19:02:42 EDT :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • Starwall the Science Ball
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    @starwall @clarjon1

    let me make this as simple as i can.

    i do not want my posts penalized with the friction of being autocollapsed simply because i decided to be nice and tag them "food"

    i do not care if my posts autocollapse because a user explicitly says they want all posts autocollapsed or because they say they want "food" posts autocollapsed. i think that is good.

    if i can have the latter, i would gladly tag EVERY SINGLE POST I WRITE regardless of the content
    In conversation Friday, 14-Jun-2019 19:02:42 EDT from pleroma.site permalink
  6. :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: (kaniini@pleroma.site)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:58:27 EDT :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • Starwall the Science Ball
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    @clarjon1 @starwall

    it is already supported mostly in Pleroma. the only thing we would need to add is explicit out-of-band tagging, but that's not hard.
    In conversation Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:58:27 EDT from pleroma.site permalink
  7. :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: (kaniini@pleroma.site)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:57:05 EDT :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • Starwall the Science Ball
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    @starwall @clarjon1

    you continue to miss my point.

    the entire reason I avoid using CWs is because they are default-to-collapse, and the recipient has very few options to override this behaviour.

    i want *more* tagging, not less, but i don't want authors to be punished for tagging their posts by subjecting them to a mandatory default-to-collapse behaviour. i want authors to feel confident and *encouraged* to tag their posts.

    the fact that "please CW your posts" posts exist means people are not confident about tagging their posts.

    the reason why this is, is because if they do tag their posts, Mastodon clients will collapse their posts just because they are tagged.

    ontological tagging solves this problem by:

    - allowing users to specify what tags they want collapsed or expanded

    - allowing users to specify default behaviour (open or collapsed)

    - allowing more than one tag per post, so that you can have ["gore", "blood", "violence"] instead of "cw: violence, gore, blood". this allows for clients to match against tags efficiently.

    and since end users are in control of how the post is presented instead of mandatory behavior, authors are not punished for using the feature. in fact, they are helped by improved discovery.
    In conversation Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:57:05 EDT from pleroma.site permalink
  8. :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: (kaniini@pleroma.site)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:49:37 EDT :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • Starwall the Science Ball
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    @starwall @clarjon1

    that was mostly grouchy-posting.
    In conversation Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:49:37 EDT from pleroma.site permalink
  9. :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: (kaniini@pleroma.site)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:48:21 EDT :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • Starwall the Science Ball
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    @starwall @clarjon1

    i do not have a "fuck your feelings" approach to CWs.

    do not put words in my mouth please.
    In conversation Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:48:21 EDT from pleroma.site permalink
  10. :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: (kaniini@pleroma.site)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:44:08 EDT :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    in reply to
    • :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • Starwall the Science Ball
    • no name® :verified:
    @starwall @clarjon1

    if people used ontological tags instead of CWs for their posts, i would champion the use of tagging.

    but right now tagging introduces friction.

    as an author you are requiring everyone have additional friction to view your posts.

    as a viewer, the only way to avoid this friction is to disable the entire CW system.

    but here's the thing, there's actually a place for spoiler text too. it's just not as a substitute for proper tagging.
    In conversation Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:44:08 EDT from pleroma.site permalink
  11. :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: (kaniini@pleroma.site)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:42:11 EDT :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • Starwall the Science Ball
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    @starwall @clarjon1

    i want them to do so. that's the point.

    because if they do so, then users can pick and choose what they want to see and have that content made available to them without friction.
    In conversation Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:42:11 EDT from pleroma.site permalink
  12. :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: (kaniini@pleroma.site)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:41:12 EDT :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • Starwall the Science Ball
    • Blub Blub Comrade 🏄‍♀️
    @starwall @cuttlefish

    broken means:

    - authors MUST write a CW (the rest of us call this a message subject)

    - recipients MUST click through any post with a CW on it (or disable the CW system entirely)

    this is broken because it introduces the maximum amount of possible friction for the least benefit. which is why most CWs are used for memes, because the feature is useless.

    you can't be like "i don't want to see dick pics, but everything else is OK."

    and authors are reluctant to use the CW feature because it increases friction.
    In conversation Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:41:12 EDT from pleroma.site permalink
  13. :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: (kaniini@pleroma.site)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:36:04 EDT :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • Starwall the Science Ball
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    @starwall @cuttlefish

    not alone -- there will be mobs demanding ontological purity. but it is a starting point to enabling users to have real control over their experience.
    In conversation Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:36:04 EDT from pleroma.site permalink
  14. :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: (kaniini@pleroma.site)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:35:02 EDT :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • Starwall the Science Ball
    • Blub Blub Comrade 🏄‍♀️
    @starwall @cuttlefish

    yes, they use ontological tagging for their content.

    the idea is that you choose what tags you want to block or allow.

    by "damage" i mean that support for this was already in progress in the fediverse before Gargron charged ahead with his broken CW system.
    In conversation Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:35:02 EDT from pleroma.site permalink
  15. :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: (kaniini@pleroma.site)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:32:34 EDT :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • Starwall the Science Ball
    • Blub Blub Comrade 🏄‍♀️
    @cuttlefish @starwall

    ontology = category theory

    ontological tagging = tagging based on categorization
    In conversation Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:32:34 EDT from pleroma.site permalink
  16. rnickson :opensource: (rnickson@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:29:56 EDT rnickson :opensource: rnickson :opensource:
    in reply to
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    • rnickson :opensource:

    @kaniini please CW your "please CW your "please CW your _________ posts" posts" posts

    In conversation Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:29:56 EDT from fosstodon.org permalink Repeated by kaniini
  17. :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: (kaniini@pleroma.site)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:29:55 EDT :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • Starwall the Science Ball
    @starwall

    blocking does not fix the damage caused by Gargron halfassing a CW system because he thought they were stupid and got sold on the idea as "spoiler alerts"

    that may provide meme potential, but it does not provide real filtering capabilities.

    and yet, it is just "good enough" that we have a system based on mob harassment and cancellation instead of having a system that is actually usable and rewards participation through greater discoverability
    In conversation Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:29:55 EDT from pleroma.site permalink
  18. :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: (kaniini@pleroma.site)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:27:53 EDT :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
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    @starwall

    no, i am not.

    what i want is quite simple:

    1. Mastodon actually follows the AS2 specification and uses `summary` for message subjects as the spec intends

    2. Ontological tagging for messages (which was already being implemented in GNU Social at the time Mastodon busted onto the scene in 2016)

    3. Using ontological tags for filtering messages, based on *recipient preference*
    In conversation Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:27:53 EDT from pleroma.site permalink
  19. :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: (kaniini@pleroma.site)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:24:59 EDT :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • Starwall the Science Ball
    @starwall

    i'm whining about the mob enforcement that comes up from time to time in the name of "safety"

    if Gargron really fucking cared about safety, he would have implemented the ontological tagging work that was being done in GNU Social at the time that Mastodon busted onto the scene and fucked the entire fediverse over.
    In conversation Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:24:59 EDT from pleroma.site permalink
  20. :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: (kaniini@pleroma.site)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:20:58 EDT :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy: :abunhdhop: :abunhd: :abunhdhappyhop: :abunhdhappy:
    • Starwall the Science Ball
    @starwall

    i don't know, i don't even actually post food really. i'm just mostly irritated with the whole CW system in general and the mob enforcement of "CW this, CW that"

    had Mastodon never been made, we would have a better system today that actually put the recipient in control. Trev selling CWs to Gargron as "spoiler alerts" has caused serious damage to the fediverse.
    In conversation Friday, 14-Jun-2019 18:20:58 EDT from pleroma.site permalink
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