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@StarshineLunacy @anna
yes, the email confirmation is because we keep getting hit with spambots. sorry for the inconvenience.
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@dielan @josh @BillShortening @alexa @maxmustermann @wowaname
yes, to be absolutely clear: nothing of the sort is going to happen. i'm not interested in using code as a sledgehammer. everything i have ever done has been to put admins in control of their own communities and enable them to make their own decisions.
and that's all I am going to say.
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@fluffy
i'm not interested in bullying them or having any other interaction with KF. it's really simple: nobody on my instance wants to interact with them, and so they are blocked.
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@dielan @BillShortening @maxmustermann
like, literally, the only reason he got banned is because he came in and was like "HI YES I AM HERE TO EVADE BLOCKS PLACED ON MY INSTANCE"
expecting your account to continue working after you've made your intentions well understood is just absurd
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@dielan @BillShortening @maxmustermann
it has nothing to do with p.s blocking KF or not, actually.
at the time, i did not know that person was from KF. it had nothing to do with my decision.
what i did know is that person said that he was blocked everywhere, and thus, he was using my instance to evade those blocks.
i'm not operating a ban evasion service here.
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@wowaname @BillShortening @dielan @maxmustermann
i honestly wouldn't have given a shit if he made an alt and didn't act like what they call a "lolcow"
you want to make an account here in good faith because you've been banned from other instances, fine, knock yourself out. as long as you follow the rules and are polite to people, there's not going to be a problem.
but if you come here and you say "lol i am here to get around the blocks all of you have placed on my instance" right off the bat, i mean, come the fuck on.
i didn't even know it was the kiwifarms dude until after he was already banned.
there's plenty of people who have accounts here who have ideologies that i don't agree with. i try very hard to ensure this place is *not* an echo chamber.
this was, like, frankly the majority of our moderation decisions, 100% because his behaviour made it quite obvious that he wasn't here in good faith -- in part because of the argument he was making, but largely because he was complaining about how his instance got banned from everyone in the thread's instance.
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@fluffy
my reason for blocking instances is to eliminate sources of bullshit.
we determine whether instances are likely to be sources of bullshit based on two metrics: (1) we ask the local users in the chat box how they feel about said instance, and (2) we observe what the users of that instance do -- if they have behavioural traits that are incompatible with what users in our local instance expect then we consider that. we also in 90% of cases prefer to do blocks of individual accounts.
nobody here is interested in their "lolcow" activity or whatever they do.
and, bluntly, none of the people involved in the thread want to talk to him, about anything. he knows this. he said so in his message. and, frankly, the fact that he strolls onto my instance, openly admitting that he knows what he is doing and then uses that opportunity to go on a diatribe doesn't convince me to change my mind on the block we implemented.
and then cue to the matrix chat logs that were sent to me and you see them complaining about the usual BS that people (including you at times) who do not understand the concept of boundaries complain about -- that their "freedom of speech" is somehow compromised by our decision to ban their instance. it's not -- they are allowed to post whatever they want, in their own space.
but people over here overwhelmingly expressed that they did not want to interact with KF. we're fine with them existing -- over there in their own space. that's the point of the fediverse.
if Josh is upset that he is banned over here, he can write an e-mail and ask us to reconsider our position. i will gladly reconsider any instance block if the admin convinces me that he will ensure that his instance does not annoy us -- the rest of the staff will as well.
but with a forum full of doxing threads, it's going to be an extremely tough sell.
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@Laurelai @cwebber @tuttle @Thib
I didn't say it was good, did I? but we are working to fix the fallout. it will be incremental, but we will get there
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@tuttle @cwebber @Laurelai @Thib
i don't think that is a fully accurate representation of what happened.
the deadline for the W3C Social WG to finish up its work was looming and AP would have died entirely if Mastodon didn't adopt it.
it then got rushed out the door because the extension deadline was looming.
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pleroma.site does not make blocks based on political ideology, but instead based on how likely the users on the instance are to piss us off.
while it is true that there may be some correlations between certain ideologies and pissing us off, it's the likelyhood of pissing us off that is the causation.
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@p @Splendid @dielan
if he wants to talk to me, he can write me an e-mail. i might read it. i might not.
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@Laurelai @cwebber
yeah, i found that out already.
it wasn't relevant at the time, because anybody who creates an account here for the explicit purpose of block evasion gets kicked off the island regardless of who they are. that sort of fuckery just isn't going to be tolerated.
apparently he plans to fork Pleroma. if only I could be so lucky.
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@maxmustermann @dielan @succfemboi
like i didn't even know he was the kiwifarms guy, i just knew some asshat was evading *something* based on how he wrote his posts. he protested too much, you know?
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@maxmustermann @succfemboi @dielan
precisely -- he did something that would be an obvious TOS violation almost anywhere (ban evasion) -- and because he got caught and banned for it from my instance, he's crying about it.
quite literally, nothing of interest here.
as I said, do whatever you want on your own instance, but leave mine out of your bullshit.
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@succfemboi @dielan @maxmustermann
the purpose of the Pleroma project is to generate software which allows admins to implement whatever policy they wish, not to prescribe and implement specific policy.
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@wowaname @josh
precisely. i don't really give a shit about his instance being a thing.
that's not the issue at all. the issue is that he created a sockpuppet account over here to talk to people who very obviously don't want to talk to him -- something he knows, because he complained that the people in question were blocking him.
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@maxmustermann @dielan
then it sounds like it's all working as designed, isn't it?
either way, if he wants to fork Pleroma over the fact that I banned his account here because he created it in bad faith (ban evasion), then he can feel free to do so.
i don't give a rats ass what he does, as long as it's on his own instance. don't bring your bullshit over to mine.
that's fair, right?
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@dielan
why the fuck would i do that?
i'm not interested in defining policy for people, but instead allowing people to define policies themselves, whatever those policies may be.
perhaps all these instances are blocking kiwifarms because they have a reputation of going around doxing and harassing people.
maybe they should work on reputation management if they don't like people having "shoot on sight" block policies toward them.
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@K7ATR some people make this Extremely Obvious when they do it.
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@rin @nik @kurisu @lis
MRF primarily runs on IR messages (locally generated or transformed using a protocol implementation). It does also run on actor objects, but it does not run on other kinds of objects. Actor objects are the only exception.
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