Notices by Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz), page 180

@gcupc why do you think you got more out of #UseNet than any other social media technology? Was it the fact that the average IQ and general knowledge of net users was much higher before AOL and other commercial ISPs decided 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em' and connected their systems to the TCP/IP net and the web?

Imagine if web search was a public good instead of a competitive business. All search engines could metasearch each other, and use the results to fill any gaps in their own database. Censoring search sites would be a constant game of #WhackAMole; if even one was missed by the censors, the crawling efforts of all of them would still be accessible.

The other thing I keep thinking is that I need to stop using my blogroll as a general link list, and actually links to the blogs of all the projects I've got listed (if they have one). All the link lists need to become part of my project of porting stuff from the #Disintermedia project on #CoActivate to the #P2PFoundation wiki.

@zatnosk @catte harmful because of the storage implications of users doing a "fetch full conversation", or the processing/ bandwidth cost? If it's the former, could this be solved by storing any fetched posts in temp files?

Big ups to @lightone who set up this guide, and is the lead maintainer. I'm doing my best to help by maintaining watchlists on an internal wiki (on #GitLab) to inform the ongoing development of the guide, reporting bugs, and so on. Volunteers welcome, to help with;
a) gathering and analyzing info about new developments in fediverse software
b) writing content to help new users understand the fediverse better
c) keeping all the info on the production site up-to-date.

Everytime I look at all the sites under the #CrowdFunding heading on my blogroll, I keep thinking there is scope for some detailed research on which if any of these have been effectively helpful to#FreeCode devs, #OpenHardware makers, or #FreeCulture artists:
https://www.coactivate.org/projects/disintermedia/blog/

@deejoe true, thanks for the reminder. There was another project called #OpenGift.io trying to do something similar, but with a #BlockChain #cryptotoken. I saw a pitch from one of the folks from that project at #Open2018.
@mayel @bob @wilbr @adfeno

@danyork it's pretty standard spam-fighting practice to shut down comments on posts older than X. How long X is, depends on the nature of the site/ blog in question, how long fruitful discussions tend to go on using comments there, and so on. I suggest @Known build in a tool that does that, and maybe a UI widget that asks users to set X when they set up a new site on a Known host.

@danyork that's a worry. Is #Known supporting #ActivityPub or any of the other federation standards? I've got it down as having had a discussion about it, with some support expressed, but no substantial progress yet:
https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/1701

Check out the recent updates to the #fediverse guide:
http://fediverse.party/

The front page showcases federated apps that are mature, aimed at average users (no geek superpowers required to use), and federate robustly using either one of the widely used federation standards; #ActivityPub, #Diaspora, or #OStatus. New pages have been added to include a range of up and coming apps that don't (yet) tick all of those boxes.

Anyone out there looking for a #PlatformCooperative business idea? Make a food delivery app for ordering #vegetarian / #vegan meals, which can handle multiple languages (at least English, Mandarin, and Espanol). You could work with sites like HappyCow.net to find restaurants whose meals could be listed on the app. The cooperative could be owned by its customers, the delivery workers, or both.

@Wolf480pl @RandomDamage @CharredStencil agreed, but that's what I'd call a technical filtering action, not a social sanction

@mayel @bob @wilbr @adfeno don't want to say any more for now without checking with my friend, who told me about it in a F2F conversation. Great to see you're getting #Ora up and running!

@wolftune but as I say, #IANAL, I might have this wrong. Any trademark lawyers out there?

@wolftune not a *registered* trademark, true. But my understanding is that their history of use (eg the definition) functions as an *unregistered* trademark. In other words, since calling something that didn't meet the definition "open source" would mislead consumers, that would be actionable under trademark law.

@Wolf480pl @RandomDamage sure but that's an argument for moderate net use, not a good reason to maintain filter bubbles.

@Wolf480pl "shared source" is not as bad as no source ever. But I think it's still a bad thing, because a) it doesn't respect the #Four Freedoms, and b) it's a missed opportunity for open collaboration that benefits everyone, including the original developers.

@RandomDamage @Wolf480pl @CharredStencil can you expand on exactly what you mean by "institutions" in this context, and how you see them improving the situation? I mean, courts are useful institutions in some situations, but they're no substitute for people learning social skills via normal socializing.

@RandomDamage @Wolf480pl @CharredStencil all I can say is that's not my experience. As mentioned in my earlier post, I do think it helps to distinguish between trolls/ griefers, and people just having a bad day or demonstrating poor social skills. Sanctioning trolls is pointless, as being irritating is their goal. But how can we improve net discourse by assuming everyone that doesn't behave perfectly at all times is a troll?

@lightweight good point, I'll do that