Notices by Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz), page 38

@Wolf480pl I'm think you might mean "mob" rather than crowd? Crowd, as its used in that phrase refers to the collective author of Wikipedia, for example. A large-scale collaboration that replaces firms and employees with "many pieces, loosely coupled".

@dsfgs how many existing P2P apps have you tested? The concept is great but there are serious engineering and UX challenges to be overcome.

A questioner challenges the use of medical language like "addiction" to describe media, and asks whether if this is a legitimate frame, is internet addiction a public health issue? Shen Jie answers that this discourse is already out there, and suggests it may be a useful metaphor despite its limitations.

The main geographical boundary on the net is linguistic, not territorial. The Great Firewall is very much an exception. Mostly, users cluster on platforms on the basis of common languages, and to a lesser degree, timezone.

How might we cultivate personal and collective habits of taking a #StepBack, to look at layers of wider context, nested inside each other. For example, we want federated platforms. Why? Because we want freedom to communicate and deliberate. Why? Because we believe the #WisdomOfCrowds can be leveraged to solve otherwise intractable social problems. Why?

How does #TimeWellSpent and FB's pivot to "privacy" represent not a break with Platform Capitalism, but a change of strategy or even just PR? Even if they are cynical moves, how might #TechFreedom movements use them as a lever?

I got lost on the way back to venue yesterday so I missed the third panel. Today I couldn't get on the WiFi until now, so I took lots of handwritten notes. Watch out for a long blog post. Fingers crossed for more live-posting tomorrow.

Here's the program for #Netizen21
http://caa-ins.org/archives/5895/2

@gitlab self-hosting users want access to some of the spam prevention and user management features that have recently been rolled out on GitLab.com. What's the prospects for that? a) is there already a timeline for moving these features to the free code edition? b) if not, could you be convinced to do so?
@lightweight

@lightweight
> the issue's now closed

True, but removing spam users was not the focus on that issue. there's a whole cluster of issues related to the reCAPTCHA system and its proposed replacements, along with other user managements issues that have fallen out of those discussions. If you care to explore you can follow links from that issue to some of the others. But it seems all issues are being moved to the ee repo to reduce duplication, so it's all a bit hard to navigate at present.

@Wolf480pl ... but at least, like me, you've got the option of attending any of the *huge* number of tech conferences where English is the main language. When you get to those, you're streets ahead of where I'd be even if I'd been studying Chinese hardout since we first decided to come here a couple of years ago.

@Wolf480pl ah, I see. Well then you're in exactly the same boat I am ;)

@Aerdan hey I just did an image search and I see what you mean. That thing looks like it came right out of #Automan! I'm starting to suspect #ElonMusk watched the same cheesy #SciFi #TV shows I did as a kid. I wonder if there will be a #Tesla Cyberbike that looks like the #Streethawk bike? Although I guess the #Tron #lightcycle is the obvious design inspiration for that ;)

@lightweight their practice seems to be to test new features on GL.com, where they can control for more variables, then rollout the code once they're sure the feature actually works. Also, as I say, the squeaky wheel seems to get oiled. I've seen code released after requests in HN threads. If you hit them up about needing those features on your instance, I suspect they will either reply with a timeline for that in their current plans, or add it to their release plans.

@Wolf480pl see:
https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/103180608412382772

A non-native English speaker would understand much more at an English language conference than I do here. I'm starting to learn some more Chinese, but at present it's pretty much limited to saying "hello", "I want this", "I don't want meat/ egg", "thanks", and explaining that I don't understand, and only speak a tiny bit of Chinese ;)

@Wolf480pl I'm pretty certain there's no such thing as a non-native English spraker, or any other kind of spraker ;P

@lightweight right, but what I'm saying is that up until recently they didn't have an in-house system for that either. They just used #reCAPTCHA, complete with non-free JS. There were a bunch of complaints about that on the Issues a few months back and they have been working on a #honeypot based alternative. Last I checked in they're testing it on GL.com, see:
https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-foss/issues/65156

If it's confirmed to work, I can't see why they wouldn't include it in the "FOSS" edition.

Could the modes described in #Meaningness (systematic, countercultural, subcultural, atomized, fluid) be applied to the network topologies of network software?

1) Centralized networks = systematic mode
2) Federated networks = countercultural mode
3) Private networks (eg #BBS, mailing lists, web forums) = subcultural mode
4) Distributed networks = atomized mode
5) Hybrid federated/ distributed networks = fluid mode

Do any hybrid networks exist yet? Maybe #Zot with #NomadicIdentity?

Still, I'll head back for what's left of panel 3 once my devices finish charging and interpreting what I can from the slides ;)

The third panel at #Netizen21, is called 'Media Archaeology'. I really wish I could understand Chinese because all three of the panels today had fascinating topics. Mind you, even if I had been studiously working on my #Mandarin skills since before we got here, I imagine I'd still be struggling to follow academic lectures ;)