Notices by Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz), page 66

... and in #GoodNews, #Wire not only confirms they're working on secure, federated chat, but #federation will be part of the #MLS protocol being standardized at the #IETF :
"During this interim the proposal was made to include federation more strongly in the design considerations and the proposal was adopted as a future goal for MLS. Wire's goal has always been to achieve federation between different compatible backends and this brings us one step closer to that goal!"
https://wire.com/en/blog/mls-meeting-summary/

@ohyran @dyamon
BTW I've been curating a list of #FreeCode software relevant to voice/ video #chat and conference calls, contributions welcome!
https://www.coactivate.org/projects/disintermedia/core-us

@ohyran @dyamon Jitsi, like most #WebRTC stacks, leans heavily on the client-side computers. The #VideoBridge helps share the load of the streaming video to some degree, but it's not really practical on older computers, and I'm not sure how well it handles mobiles. If you've all got reasonably recent 64-bit hardware (I'd say less than 5 years old), it could work for you. I don't think it supports any encryption, but you could self-host to reduce your visibility compared to the hosted service.

3) The only connection between white nationalism and socialisms (including anarchism) is that when capitalists feel threatened by anti-capitalist movements that are gaining political momentum - like #PeterTheil and his fellow anti-democratic "neo-reactionaries" - , they use white nationalism to distract and misdirect people who might otherwise have join the anti-capitalist movements, and get them to fight against their class and their own interests. This is also how the Nazis happened. (3/2)

@stevenroose yup, these are the challenges. I think community-hosting is more viable than self-hosting as a large-scale replacements for the #DataFarms. I don't use GMail anymore (not for my primary email addresses anyway), and the replacements have come a long way. I used #RoundCube (on RiseUp.net) and #RainLoop (on Disroot.org), they're not bad for hosted web apps, and #MailPile is worth checking out as an in-browser client on your own device (dunno if there is a mobile version).

@josemanuel
> they wanted to civilise them, to turn them into Romans.

... or make them into slaves. Either way, this is textbook white supremacy.

@josemanuel
> they wanted to civilise them, to turn them into Romans.

Exactly. Like the Greeks before them and the Victorians after them, they arrogantly (and wrongly) believed that "civilized" means "exactly like us", even when that doesn't make any environmental sense.

> They even respected the local religions and added their gods to the Pantheon

Except for the ones they crucified and fed to lions. Then once Constantine converted to Christianity, they began wiping out local religions (3/?)

@josemanuel I think you're far too generous to the Romans. The age of sail Europeans and the US also built a lot of infrastructure in the countries they colonized. As with any empire, that's for military or extractive purposes, or to serve the colony of their own people, and to some degree to keep their workforce to busy to think about how badly they're paid (especially the slaves). Any benefits that trickle down to the local population are purely incidental. (2/?)

@josemanuel ... and there was a certain Greek known as Alexander the Great, who conquered ... the entire known world as it was at the time so ...

@josemanuel I take your points, but ...

> but if I remember my History right, they never tried to conquer them

For the most part the Greeks were too busy fighting each other ;) Also, they didn't yet have the resource constraints that tend to kick off expansionism. They did have some wicked wars with the Persians, which their histories record as defensive, but they would ... (1/?)

@sillystring I don' think #Slack is necessary nor good for anybody. See the link on the post you were replying to, and maybe read some of the articles linked there.
@x0rz

@Are0h wait, you were serious? You could make a statement like that about any platform that hosts user-generated content. If I said "the internet is primarily a white nationalist platform that sometimes allows other content", would you think I was joking (or *wickedly* exaggerating), or would you nod sagely and agree?

People concerned about unethical tech: "We don't want to use devices made by #DataFarming corporations like goOgle that farm our data and violate our privacy, let's all use #iThings!"

*facepalm*

Apple routinely:
*Bans GPL apps from iThings: https://www.zdnet.com/article/android-vs-iphone-the-gpl-question/
* Silently censors email: https://www.cultofmac.com/103703/apple-may-be-invisibly-filtering-your-outgoing-mobileme-email-exclusive/103703/
*Violates privacy: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/apple-iphone-ipad-government-data-privacy-transparency-report-2018-a8697761.html
... and so, so much more:
https://stallman.org/apple.html

I agree with @aral , we need a freed market of non-corporate hardware vendors.
@desikn

2) As both #NoamChomsky and #DavidGraeber have pointed out about "free trade agreements", they are neither about freedom nor trade, and they're not agreements, they're demands ("render up to Caesar that which is Caesar's"). As for "free market societies", as Maggie Thatcher pointed out, there's no such thing.

3) Lumping in anyone to the left of the centre-right Hilerati with violent groups like Islamists and white supremacists is either stupendously lazy, or intellectually dishonest.
(2/2)

From J.M. Berger's paper on "extremist movements" (quoted in a #Vox article)
"For anarchists and socialists, a fascist oligarchy controls free market societies."
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/04/adam-serwer-madison-grant-white-nationalism/583258/

1) Global oligarchy is a self-evident fact. Has Berger not seen the figures on growing inequality since the late 1970s, and the handful of men who now control 50% of the world's wealth? The fact that they're all white men doesn't prove it's fascist, but it sure is compatible with that idea. (1/2)

@x0rz people who use #Slack aren't really customers, they're more like livestock, business assets waiting to be sold by the company that has them locked in their #DataFarms.
https://www.coactivate.org/projects/disintermedia/slacking-off

@Are0h you got a genuine belly laugh out of me for that one :D Touche!

European colonization in the age of sail was just the metastasis of this cultural tumour, as it continued its spread beyond the organs of Europe. The "scientific racism" of the Victorian era was an ideological reaction to the beginnings of anti-racism in forms like the #Abolitionist movement against human slavery. The only thing new about contemporary white supremacy is that it's not the "common sense" of any society, not even USAmerica, just a fringe belief desperate for attention.

The ethno-nationalist self-importance that underlies #WhiteSupremacy began long before Europeans set out to "civilize" the world in the 15th century. The ancient Greeks had four words describing all non-Greeks. "Keltoi", from which we get "celts" was their word for the "barbarians to the north", Libyans were the "barbarians to the south", etc. They passed it on to the Romans, who mixed it with Christianity and spread it across much of Europe, leading to the mass murders of the crusades. (1/2)

@LibertyPaulM so when liberals tell us that we must take away white nationalists' freedoms to speak and organize, because they campaign against minorities' freedoms to speak and organize, the obvious reply is; if we must take away freedoms from people who campaign to take away other people's freedoms, let's start with yours. Not because we sympathize with fascism, but precisely because we are *not* fascists, and refuse to go along with acting like them.